The glass house in the Indian Media shouldn't be throwing stones. Indians are probably the most racist people on the planet. What country would treat 10% of the population (the untouchables) as the lowest of the low. Hindu extremists kills plenty of people in India and a swathe of different ethnic groupings hate each other in India. Not to mention terrorism such as the Mumbai attacks. India should examine itself before making such a big drama over this supposed issue. Australia is far less dangerous than most countries in the world. The crime statistics show this. It doesn't seem to matter that a number of the beatings have been just robberies. If every Australian beaten up and robbed in India was racially motivated then India would have a far bigger problem. It is symptomatic of a media that has expanded without any rules on hyperbole. Indian media should be ashamed of themselves. Australians have a better understanding of India than most western countries simply because of our long history of cricket together and our British Colonial past. We are good friends of India. Pick on someone else.

I tend to blame the Indian government. The youngster who tragically lost his life was an Australian resident rather than a student as implied. he had finsihed his studies as far as I am aware. If every government interfered when an ex resident of their was killed in Australia we would have an issue constantly. Would probably close down immigration lol

I think racism IS an issue, but the 'racism' card has been overplayed. We cannot assume that every ethnic person who is attacked is targeted purely because of his/her ethnicity - I am sure that a lot of the time it is just an unhappy coincidence.

I think it is possible to spin it around, as well. White westerners, who form a significant part of the global tourist body, are exploited left, right and centre. Catch a taxi in Bangkok and see where it gets you. Spend a couple of days in Calcutta and, if you are unwary, you are likely to be swindled (unless you are one of the tourists who stays in the sanitised hotel world). In these cases, you are targeted because of your race. Most of the time, the only things that will be hurt are your bank balance and your time, but the fact remains that it is your skin colour that has set you up for this.

As we have frequently seen with the cricket, though, the powers that be in India tend not to shy away from crying 'racism'. I have found, however, that most Indian people I have come across keep their eyes open and are not easily duped.

What, are Indians in Melbourne the only ones assaulted an murdered every day Australia wide?.

when I consider the numbers of Indians killed in actys of racial violence in all of Australia

and ciompare that to the number of Indians killed by inter-caste and inter religious (Hindu V Muslim) violence in India

I really have to ponder

what all the fuss is about

maybe just a side show for dumb-assed indians who like to criticise non-indians -

which just takes us back to the Indian "caste" and other sources of intolerance which eminate from the sub-continent

btw...

I have heard nothing of India accepting any Tamils from Sri Lanka...

and I doubt any one else has either?

Two threades same subject seems a wast.
but if, and it is likely, it is provede this was not racist?
The western Sydney suberbs clash was two groups both not Australian born clearly about relidgion not anything else.
Victoria however should be ashamed.
The lunatic PC anti knife crime laws say public notice must be given before police can search for them!
a shame idiotic shame.
and knowing the chances are a drunk or thug may have done this why no reward offer now, while the iron is hot.
Some in Victoria, my party, should wake up, hidding behind the probable truth, it is not racism, is not fixing the problem.
The Minister who put the ratbag law 5to the vote, informing filth you are coming to get him, should not be in the house with a mop and bucket in their hand.

Otokonoko and Col Rouge, I agree with you 100%. Anti-White racism exists as much as the other kind.

Belly, as usual, I find your posts almost unintelligible and hard to understand.
Is English your second language? I'm not sure from your response whether you agree or disagree that this subject is not due to racism.

Gday Austin nice to see you have not changed, any well it is plainly stupid of India's media to highlight that country's growing racism.
It may be that a fellow Indian did this, but you can rest assured police want to get who ever it was.
Have a broken finger, the one I type with.
For a time was on a PC without spell checker.
But yes,my style is rough, always, however Austin, you have no class no style.
Now while not strictly on thread.
Victoria did.
Introduce anti knife crime laws.
Police have the right to search for knifes.
But MUST notify in written Medea,24 hours before searching.
We the majority, are being used by PC fools no way we should not let police search for weapons any time any place.
BEFORE anyone talks about rights tell me this bloke got his, to live.

A few things disturb me about the whole violence against Indians events.

One is that the Indians immediately claim racist attacks without any evidence at all, especially in this murder case. Yet there have not been any claims of racism relating to the murder at Griffith, NSW, nor in relating to the Indian woman who had her throat cut in sydney. Police have since arrested her husband. I don't see that the murder in Melbourne was any more heinous that the cut throat of the Sydney woman.

Our police will not disclose what the ethnicity of the perpetraitors of the bashings are, yet they would have been informed by the victims. The victims themselves, and other students, have not said what ethnicity the attackers are. Or the media have edited it out. This then leaves the assumption that the attackers are anglo-aussies.
It now seems the attackers in Sydney were Lebs and those in Melbourne were African. Motives appear to be robbery.

The hype of the Indian media and politicians is extradinary given no evidence of racism and that India has double the murder rate of Australia, including 8093 'dowery deaths' last year, which are unknown here.

Some time back there was an Aussie missionary and his two sons murdered in India in race hate violence, yet we did not threaten that it would effect our countries relations.

It is obvious that the Indians are beating these events up, while our police and polys are not disclosing all they know.

Belly, your reply only reinforces my post.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps English was your second language. Obviously your problem is a lack of education.

If you think (for some reason of yours) that I 'have no class no style' at least I have grammar and spelling.

I genuinely didn't understand your first post to this thread on 7th January. Maybe I just don't have enough class or style to comprehend your posts.

It is getting a bit rich - the beat up over Indian racism and the over the top cartoon featured in an Indian paper. What an insult to the police who are trying hard to cope with the increase in crime in Victoria with inadequate resources.

The death of any person regardless of their race is a tragedy. To boil it down to racism being a factor whenever one of a select group is affected is counter-productive. There are many English backpackers who have experienced violence and even some have died (Ivan Milat and recent death in a Sydney pub) and we don't see the same vitriole against Australians by the English ('cept when it comes to the cricket perhaps).

Racism is not a pretty part of human nature but neither is diminishing the act of racism by unsubstantiated claims. Pulling out the race card in these situations only serve to make the divide greater.

The Indian Government should be asking themselves why many Indians are using every tactic to emigrate to Australia to the point of taking up courses in fields they have no interest under the government's skilling programs. The Indian caste system as others have pointed out, must be one of the most discriminatory and perhaps there needs to be a lot more self reflection when it comes to racism. I remember standing in the airport in Bombay having to deal with very rude and officious Indian officials who treated white people like dirt on the bottom of their shoe.

But the Indian Government like all others, knows a good story when they see one - one that will deflect attention from their own internal problems

"The victims themselves, and other students, have not said what ethnicity the attackers are."

They have but nobody listens or could be a policy not to disclose to try and supress tensions even further. I guess seeing the hysteria in India is a reason they do not want to go that route but I disagree.

The Indian students have claimed the attacks are multi-racial, I am not sure they have really left a race out..aside their own. Even Aboriginals come in for a serve.

I am a firm believer the victim comes first. If a victim felt they have been attacked due to their race it should be taken seriously. I guess people do not want a repeat of Cronulla but the missed point there is that it occured for the very same reason, a lack of acknowledgment.

The process should be that a court decides if a racist motive was behind any attack. I am not sure police should decide if it is or not. If the victim claims this then it should be tested in court and not debated by government or police. I know many racist claims are frivilous but easier if they can feel it is taken seriously.

So India say this is a racist murder. Police response should have been "When and if we capture the murderer you are free to make that charge" Too easy. Police, media and Government are not jury of motive.

If a white man is caught and the victim cries racist. Then that person is considered racist. Allowing government and police..plus media to make a claim only means now all whites are racist in the eyes of the targeted group. A quicker route from blame of one individual to an entire race could not found anywhere else than on the denial road.

"The Indian students have claimed the attacks are multi-racial, I am not sure they have really left a race out..aside their own."

Actually I lie, even their own. The murder in NSW looks likely to be their own and the arson attack blamed on Indian attack was an insurance scam. So they are even racist against themselves. Over the top..just a tad lol.

The Missus,
I have never seen in any media the disclosure of the ethnicity of the Indian attackers. Some time after, one paper said the attackers in sydney were Lebs and in Melbourne it seems common knowledge that the attackers were African, but no media confirmation that I have seen.

The Vic police, in particular, seem very reluctant to release the ethnicity of suspect criminals. This could come from the top as politicians do not like to admit to problems with some cultures, either immigrants or refugees, and/or their children.

Banjo

It was quite well known it was the same old Lebanese gangs in Sydney.

In melbourne mixed race. Some areas were Somalian, Some Middle Eastern and some mixed race gang with Southern Europeans and I also heard that skin head also re-appeared and attacked students.

The arrests in melbourne were Somalian.

Wikipedia also suggest Aboriginal attacks on Indians.

Ok Somalian and Aboriginal and we have KKK cartoon? That really shows they have not done any investigating. Police favour a black over a Indian so that makes them KKK? Shows how pathetic media research is but then we had our own Andrew Bartlett frothing at the mouth at how racist Australia is in the Asian press. Australia is not a race but a nationality, but as long as racist eyes only consider whites as being worthy to be called Australian we will have this nonsense.

I think Australian powers that be just want it to be Aussie attacks Aussie. That is an ideal but the world still has racist lens on their glasses so they should acknowledge until such times the globe gets with that program. Perhaps we are actually ahead of the world in that regard being that nationality is our definition rather than race. Nice sentiment but not working yet.

Austin Powerless, let me make it clear, my opinion as stated is my true view of you.
You however have got some things about me right.
My education was dreadful, the eldest of 16 kids, 8 lived to grow up, I had very little education.
Grammar? have not got a clue.
By 12 years and 10 months of age I formally left school to work full time.
I had been very much a poor student, hunger sent me fruit or pea picking, pig feeding anything to earn a feed for my family.
Many more than you would understand from big bush family's did the same as me, sisters stayed home to help mums sons went early to work.
manners, IQ common sense as you show so well, are not related to education.
While I live I grow, my education gets better every day, I pass most exams clearly but still hunger for knowledge.
Yes Sydney was Muslims Melbourne sometime was others but multi cultism suffers if two migrant groups fight each other,
India? some humble pie coming for one minister and some media, clearly some Indians are behind some events.

Some facts. Have any Indian students actually been killed? I cannot find any evidence yet to read the media in India it sounds like they are getting killed on a regular basis. I even saw one remark - when will they stop this serial killing of Indian students?. The young man who sadly lost his life was a on a permanent residence visa, no longer on a student visa. Does the Indian Government actually have a right to interfere when the person has chose to immigrate, especially whens facts are not known?

Also I have read there is a far more serious issue in the United States. They have a smaller Indian student population, apparently from much wealthier and higher income families, but the death toll appears to be toward 20 deaths in two years.

So Indian government makes such outrageous claims as "crime against humanity", makes it about students when the young man was no longer one and was free to return home if he so wished, and does not makee the same scenes toward the US.

I think we are being played for fools by the Indian Government. This is geopolitcal and the government do not care on iota about the Indian students. Just using them.

The Indian Government is behaving like a bunch of hypocrites by accusing us of racism.Well, even if they may be partly correct let the Indian Government take a closer look in the mirror and they'll see the true face of racism.
Do my readers have any idea what is going on in this country where the government is posing like some morally superior entity?
In the north-east since 1947 they have been guilty of dreadful racist atrocities in NEFA where the Nagas are fighting for their independence from New Delhi. The Gurkhas have had enough of their racism and want a state of their own.
And now lets go over to the northwestern corner to a place called Kashmir. The Muslims have experienced the oppressive racist administration of the indian government. Muslims in India are discriminated against in Kashmir where they constitute over 90% of the population but are denied self-determination. This has been going on since 1947 when men of the ilk of Gandhi and Nehru begged and cajoled the Muslim leader Jinnah to accept the british offer of independence on the basis of one man one vote self-determination. They swore to keep their word after independence,but did they? This is 2010 and Kashmir is still in Indian hands.
The Indians can least afford to call anyone racists.
Has anyone heard of the caste system? OK, it may not be racism but the discriminatory persecutions are dreadful and degrading. The Indians cannot afford to try and take the moral high ground on moral issues. And all over the treatment to a few Indian students .We deplore what has happened to them but the finger pointing that's gone on is blatant hypocrisy.

socratease

Indian Nationalism has grown a great deal under its present government.
A stronger prouder nationalism.
Often such growth is blind to truth, no way India can see its own faults as clearly as ours.
Now deaths and bashings have taken place, of ex students and current students.
some bashings, dare we speak the truth? have at least in Sydney, been inter racial, both sides combative and provocative.
We Aussies have some real Ferrel's, they may well have bashed or harmed Some Indians, sadly some would.
A close fan of International cricket would have no trouble finding evidence of this nationalism from India.
However we can not ignore our faults.
How can Victoria ever claim its laws on knife crime are not them selves criminal?
To think minority's PC fools have forced police to inform criminals in advance they are searching for knives is insanity.
Those who who disagree with me, put your self for a second, in the life of this dead ex student, that second should be on before his life was taken.
his rights suffered because we do not have the will to take back our laws from idiots.
PS
Indians commited some of these crimes against Indians