The World is corrupt and reality is a lie.
I believe in this.
I also believe in the metaphor of William Blake and the ‘’Satanic Mill’’.
We are part of the mill. The slaves turning the wheels of the societies on earth, the slaves for the masters, who in each nation are the select few. In our case the wealthy, our rich politicians, and our celebrities.

We are part of the mill, or as Nietzsche said ‘’ the heard ‘’.
We must somehow find the paddock where we are free.
Which brings me to my point?
I have just reads some details of the new internet filtering firewall that the labor government want to introduce to all ISP's in the nation. As yet, it has not been passed in the senate, among other labor policies.
This is direct blatant and deliberate censorship and control of the masses by the ruling few.
As Australians, we are told what we can be exposed to, in a land of free choice. This free choice is slowly being taken away from us as we conform, as if little children ,to the masters ,and never being exposed to alternative news, alternative ideas, or ways of living.
Without this exposure, we become brain dead robots under total control.
I can understand that we need censorship and restrictions especially for the vile disgusting crimes of paedophiles, however they do not exactly ‘’ Goggle’’ the content that they search for. They access their needs via secrecy such as password-protected sites and file sharing.

What does that leave?

Pornography, which we all have that right to view as long as the participants are over the age of 18.

Violent video games. This can be solved by the introduction of R Rated games.

Alternative news. This has always been under attack anyway.

Racism and hate. As if that is going to change via an internet filter, but again, we are free to believe in agendas of our choosing, not by our masters.

Life changes,but not by our own chioce.

I believe Blake was referring particularly to the effects on the masses of the Industrial Revolution.
There have always been rulers and the ruled - it's the way of humanity and there has never been a time or place where this did not apply. It's only the degree of freedom that varies. Even in a democracy like Australia, there is a limit to the freedoms available to the masses.
We are not as free as we would like to think we are. It suits those in power that the masses have a limited world view and be unaware that they are psychologically herded in which ever direction suits those that pull the strings. This is neither novel or unusual in the history of man and society. In an advanced western democracy like Australia, it is more of a precarious balancing act for those in power to control the amount and type of information available.
We do, however, have access to a certain standard of education, and this allows us some modicum of educated choice as to the degree in which we absorb sublimated ideas that are transmitted to us. We have a choice as how deeply we wish to conform to the industrial template of society - most of us don't think we have a choice - but we do.
Depending on how far one chooses to think outside the box - to independently examine the pathways that our society encourages to tread is the first step to taking back autonomy. Many people are funneled into the those "satanic mills" simply because our education system teaches us not to think for ourselves. What hope have we got if our earliest instruction teaches us that we will be force fed information that is deemed useful to us - a decision made by faceless educational bureaucracies.
The herd is ever present, but it is possible to steal a little independence if we learn to be selective about the things that influence us.

Dear Oscar,

Your concern about ISP'S is understandable,
however it may be a bit premature. Nothing
as yet has been passed in the
Senate - and it won't be up for consideration
until the Mar-May 2010 sittings.
You may be worrying needlessly.
The Senate may reject the proposals.

We live in a representative democracy - where
we elect representatives who're responsible
for making political decisions.
If we don't like the decisions they make - we
can vote them out of office.

Our society allows for a tolerance of criticism and
of dissenting opinions. We've got a system of checks
and balances that ensures that each group within
our society are taken into account.

I don't agree with the dismal picture that you're
presenting.

The root cause of the implementation of a Satanic Mill, in which the mice run away their lives is the Australia Act 1986. It abolished Christianity and the Australian Constitution and substitutes all State and Territory Governments for a National Government and as Mao and particularly Stalin said, the man who counts the votes rules the country.

Yon Kevin had a bleak and hungry look in his New Year Message. He is in crisis. He is trying to serve two Masters, Almighty God on one hand, and the Green Masters of the Satanic Mill on the other. He is in an awful position. Unless he jumps on John Brumby with both hobnailed boots, and sends in the Australian Federal Police to police every Victorian Magistrate and Judge, the Commonwealth will be unable to use any of the State Courts to prosecute the criminals the Australian Federal Police catch. Brumby has removed the Crown, he says from the first of January from every Victorian Court.

If we are to be a United Nation, and Tony Abbot is to be able to govern effectively, as a committed Christian, he has to fight the next election as a referendum on the Australia Act 1986. On another thread on which I have exceeded my quota for a few hours, the issue of State Theft is explored. The only thing between thieving State Governments and the helpless population is the Crown, and when the Australia Act 1986 abolished the Crown, in 1986, the State Governments took the Crown off all their acts, and substituted the elected synod of Satan’s Brood, in its place.

Tony Abbott knows this and Almighty God gave him a victory over the State Rights Leader previously running the Liberal Party. One of Tony Abbott’s first complaints was that the Commonwealth is ungovernable. He knew this from his stint as a Minister in the previous government.
We used to take our freedom for granted. It is under attack as never before and it is under attack from Green activists who would rather have a tree than a human being. Trees don’t vote.

The most vituperous and unfair comments leveled at Tony Abbott are aimed at his Christianity. He was subjected immediately to claims he is a puppet of Rome. This is the standard attack on any Christian who worships in the RC Church. However it was the Roman Catholic English who rescued Great Britain from the dark ages, and protected it by adopting the Holy Bible as their Constitution, from the worst excesses of the Inquisition. The British made all laws subject to the Crown, and the Crown represented Almighty God.

Nowadays in Australia the Crown is abolished from all Federal Acts, and the safeguards derived from the Holy Bible, in respect of personal liberty enacted into the Magna Carta in 1297, are ignored. Because of that the man who counts the votes rules, and now always the only one to vote is a Judge and Magistrate.

As Christians we used to have a franchise. It used to consist of two rights to vote. The first was to decide who went to the National Synod, and the second opportunity to vote was when a person was selected to serve on a jury of 12 electors.

S 22 of the Australian Courts Act 1828 is still not repealed. If you are one of the 12,500 members of the Liberal Party in New South Wales raise it at your next meeting. You may access a copy here: http://www.community-law.info/?page_id=520

If you see that page you will see the Royal Identifier that was attached to the Australian Constitution in 1900, by a Court in England so that it became law. In strict legal sense, without that Royal Stamp of Approval, affixed not by the Queen, but by a court, there is no legal reason to obey any law. Royal means approved by Almighty God. The English, by studying the Holy Bible after it was printed in English in 1610, all understood this and gave its protection to all settlers in Australia.

Tony Abbott is a monarchist and Yon Kevin is a republican. No republic has ever lasted very long. Royal means accountable to Almighty God

When Mulga Bill from Ironbark, came down to Sydney Town, and the barber played a joke on him, holding his throat he wreaked mayhem, in the Barbers Shop. That is an Australian Classic. When Mulga Bill from Queensland came down to Canberra, he refused to participate in a co-alition. He regarded the then leader as below contempt. Hopeless and totally out of touch, with the undercurrent of the Australian people, which rather likes the freedom that it has grown accustomed to.
As the screws of the Satanic Mill have been tightened, the ordinary Australian has become alarmed. JH was a proponent of the Satanic Mill, and we thought Our Savior was another boy from Queensland. It may well be the Monk from Manly, who puts the khybosh on the Mill, and puts a sabot in its wheels. The sabot he has, and can play is the Australian Federal Police. They have the power to enforce the laws made by Paul Keatings Government and ignored by JH, and totally suppressed, making slavery a serious indictable offence. I talk of S 268:10-13 of the Criminal Code Act 1995 that the Liberals made law in 2001, but never let the Australian Federal Police enforce.

Last night a commentator raised the ghost of James Scullin. James Scullin was the first Australian Roman Catholic Prime Minister, and the last for about seventy eight years. It would be ironic if a good Anglican Prime Minister was replaced by a Roman Catholic, because the Roman Catholic was seen as more Christian, and more committed to freedom, than the incumbent. At the World Youth Day Celebrations, it was the unifying influence of the Roman Catholic Church that made it such a success. Every denomination wished them well, and all denominations met the Pope.
Only time will tell, but Tony Abbott looked more confident and KR looked tentative, as if he was flogging a dead horse on climate change, with the promise of higher taxes and more use of the Satanic mill, making us work harder to make a living, so we can pay scientists to lie to us

OtG,
I'm sure you meant the herd, not the heard. Your post seems totally nail on the head stuff to me.

Actually Foxy I personally am suspicious- as the Labor Party (and the Liberals) are both blatantly corrupt and work only for paying lobbyists.

The only question is- how many of those lobbyists are pushing this? As they'd all have something to gain from harming our access to global information;

Poirot is right the “dark satanic mills” is from a line in a hymn
http://poetry.eserver.org/new-jerusalem.html

Oscar I am not sure of your age but your questions have been asked by thinking individuals since the dawn of time and as I am about to hit the big 60, I offer these views as my own observation, for you to absorb or to discard, as you see fit:

The world does not care!

It is not inherently corrupt, as you seen to view it,

just indifferent

Whilst you can take no credit for the good in it, all the bad stuff is not your fault nor your burden to shoulder either

God did not set us an easy path he did give us free will, to grow and aspire to the limits of our imaginations

You are responsible for your own actions and aspirations

And you can only take pride or credit for
Or be held responsible for those actions and aspirations

So I would seriously suggest

Act according to your inherited ethics

Be tolerant of others and
Expect others to be tolerant of you – but also expect to be disappointed

Remember the person who steers the conversation is not the one with the answers but the one with the questions

Karma, not socialism, is the only great leveler and what goes around really does comes around

Defend the rights of others to disagree with you but argue your case with sincerity and passion and rememebr, being in the minority does not make you wrong.

The state is a dead and soulless edifice, only individual people can be loving, compassionate or generous.

Trust only people, never the state.

Remember wealth in life should be measured on the full range of experiences illustrated by Maslow and not just those things on his first level.

Finally be fully the unique individual your DNA makes you and be prepared to defend that individuality against those lesser folk, who seek to regulate us into conformity with their mediocre dictates,

By defending your individual rights, you defend everyones individual rights

Dear King Hazza,

I'm a little more optimistic.
I feel that our system allows people to
try to influence the way individual
legislators vote on specific issues.

We can collect petitions, advertise in
the media, organize floods of letters,
donate money to election campaigns, in
other words use loobying tactics ourselves
to try to directly persude decision makers.

Of course - many legislators "toe the party line"
and aren't subject to much external influence.
So I suppose if any Party has a majority
in the Senate, it can rely on a majority vote,
minus any legislators who are not able to attend
on virtually any vote.

But at least - we (the public),
in this country are given a
genuine opportunity to affect the law-making
process - and it is up to us to seize that
chance if we feel strongly enough about any
particular issue.

You are right Foxy- it's just going to be an uphill battle as we're not quite the first people our representatives ask for opinions on their policies, so the only way to really get them to listen at the moment would be to either bribe them even more money than their other lobbyists, or convince them that their constituents WILL vote against them if their party goes ahead with these proposals- often, they do things their constituents (or those of the opposition) won't like, but not QUITE enough to change parties over.

Of course, they might have organized a deal with a company offering them an executive job in exchange for such policies- Bob Carr getting into Macquarie Bank after selling our infrastructure to them cheap being such an example.
Which would make the threat of losing their government job nothing but getting their private job sooner.

I take it from the posts that people prefer Tonay Abbott as a Prime Minister over Kevin Rudd and that people welcome a religous perspective within our government to enable us to reclaim some of our rights back and instill family and human rights values away from this relentless individualism that is now part of our society?

Would I be correct in saying that?

Dear Oscar,

I hear you're becoming an annoying person
who misinterprets everything.(giggle).

Oscar
I don't believe that is what most of the previous posters are arguing other than both sides are corruptible. How will religion put honesty and rights back into the system? We have a bevy of religious politicians now and it does not seem to make much difference in regard to influence of lobbyists.

Religion was used as a tool of discrimination, prejudice and was marked by great abuses of power - so I am not sure how a return to religion interfering in governing will improve the situation any. What if women had to all start wearing veils because of religious doctrine or be stoned?

We need to stick to a democratic system with better checks and balances and greater participation by citizens. There is no such thing as a perfect system but there is room for improvement.

Oscar it is not a choice between individualism or god. There are many more options. Individualism as you describe it should be called capitalism inspired atomisation or anticollectivism. It is marked by greed, selfishness, excess and not caring about others. It drives crime, isolation, discrimination, inequality and conflict.

Real Individualism is the simple fact that we are all unique and different and that it is one of humanities greatest strengths. It should be encouraged and nurtured and the facilitation of our individuality and potential should be the overriding goal of any social, political or economic system. It takes empathy, compassion and tolerance and is a lot harder than dog eat dog, law of the jungle, winner takes all society we live in today. Remember if you win the rat race your still a rat.

It is also far from the mindless zombification of the masses by religion with its homogeneity and straitjacket morality. A less individualistic system I cannot imagine.

And just as i thought that we could once again have a nation that puts God first and actually live with high morals and family values.

Nietzsche said that God is Dead ( The thought of God is dead) and that we need something ''Beyond Good and evil ''

The point of the post is that we change nothing.The end is the same.
The minority can not change the nation if the majority like living thier spoon-fed conditioned lives among the materialistic world.

A wise Man once told me that the greatest trick the devil performs is presenting us with the illusion that he does not exist.

One way of doing this is to condition the people that God does not exist,therefore there is no heaven or hell and no good or evil.

Thus,the need to move beyond good and evil.

We are dancers to a discordant system and we continue that system with our own lies and illusions,such as this forum for example.

We like to think that we are all intelligent and participate in an honest discussion of the topics here on this forum,but in actual fact all we do is try to hit the hardest against each other.

So in a way we argue with ourselves while the masters look on all the while we dont look beyond ourselves and overcome them.

The prolem is that if we really belived that we could remove ourselves from the herd we would not be posting upon this forum for ever and a day as we move beyond this talk and place our thoughts out there for change.

Our masters can be overcome the same way they overcome the slaves.
By condition of the slaves.
We have rights,we have a democracy.The problem is that we do not know the laws and we dont use our rights and our knoweledge properly.

Oscar,
it's not a matter of conditioning the people to believe that god doesn't exist. It suits the powers that be to maintain that he does. In any case, the people are already conditioned to believe that he does exist... Think about it; is not belief in god (which god?) conditioning?
It's a very meet question indeed, the nature of reality; there are a great many philosophers, including today's anti-foundationalists, who've argued that phenomena, in itself, is inaccessible. Everything is mediated by language (games), and language is in a constant state of flux, intertextuality and deferral of meaning. But this is a long way from your (I gather) leap of faith in a god, or that the "World is corrupt and reality is a lie". The nature of reality, in itself, is ambiguous; we have no way of verifying our perception of it. But that doesn't mean that our perception is distorted; it could be that there's a perfect anthropocentric match between phenomena and perception. But then the "reality" we perceive is only an assemblage of finite parts--elements, molecules and atoms in a temporal flux, for instance.
Quite right to be sceptical of "reality", but to deny it outright, and to condemn it as evil, is to indulge in pure fantasy--since it is vastly more ambiguous than the "reality" our senses inform us of. Moreover, this is to assume a great deal about collectivism, since presumably the evil "reality" is a collective delusion/punishment, rather than an evil reality taylored to each individual?
Is it not more healthily sceptical, and wise, to simply acknowledge the dubiousness of reality, without compounding human obtuseness by conjuring up, or subscribing to, another "reality"--one which doesn't even have the saving grace of being accessible to the senses?