stevenlmeyer,

There has been a scandal, but this isn't it. You apparently haven't noticed the real one.

It may come as a surprise to you to know the scientists are human and are subject to all the usual human foibles. This includes killing one another when passions run high enough. They are also guilty of far worse crimes, like fudging or faking data.

Scientists know there are just as capable of these types of shenanigans as everybody else and have set up a system to prevent it. The success of this system in delivering reliable rational conclusions is what makes science so valuable. It is this system that prevents scientists from sinking to the level of corporate spin doctors, not any human virtue inherent in scientists.

The system itself is relatively simple. Rather than just publishing claims, scientists are required to say what evidence they base those claims on, and explain their methods so anybody else can repeat their results.

So what is the scandal? Some climate scientists have refused to release the raw data they based their papers on. They instead release massaged data, which is often summarises of the underlying raw data. This is massaging absolutely necessary and is an accepted practice. However if they don't release the raw data, no one can check their massaging. The raw data did cost enormous sums of money to collect, and some of it was commercially constrained. However the bulk is collected on publicly funded equipment, collected by people on public salaries, and done on the basis it was for the common good - science.

The net result is the usual system science works under broke down. All you are highlighting here is the mess that inevitably followed this break down. Regardless of whether there is any substance to the allegations you posted and whether there is a real scientific underhandedness, this refusal to release the data has left the science open to conspiracy theories and has undermined the confidence we can put in the science itself. That is the real scandal.

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This archive presents over 120Mb of emails, documents, computer code and models from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, written between 1996 and 2009.

The CRU has told the BBC that the files were obtained by a computer hacker 3-4 days ago.

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rstuart

I mostly agree with your last post. I should have placed greater emphasis on the failure to release raw data.

Yes it is scandalous that access to data gathered with the aid of public funds for the common good of science should be denied.

Thank you for pointing this out.

There is no disgrace, CJ, in having been taken in by these warming propagandists. Look at the European governments whio were duped.
How long have I been calling for info on why CO2 is being blamed? The premise that CO2 could drive weather patterns and climate change was fanciful from the start.
CO2 is a plant food and is an essential gas for life support.
Even UN Secretary general Mr Ban Ki-moon must have realised this when, last week, he called for more food production on the planet. He can't have more food without an increase in CO2.
The world needs more CO2.
The Hadlet CRU debacle indicates that global warming is a non issue.

If it was not for the case that the Uni East Anglia is so tightly
involved with the Hadley Centre and have had such a prominent part in
the whole global warming statistics this whole matter would have
hardly raised an eyebrow.

The upshot is some highly respected scientific body should examine
not just the emails but the relationships between the various
people involved. Would the Royal Society be suitable ?

AS so much of their information has driven the whole IPCC program
it puts the whole AGW promotion into an impossible position.
Understand that trillions of dollars are to be spent on CO2 so the
legal niceties should be ignored.

Examinator
Aha you have been caught out again. I always knew these numpties in white coats and clip boards were at it and more importantly "At me!" All this hogwash so rudd could put in a brand new tax. This has blown it all out of the water and the best you lot can do is go and have a lie down and think of the next thing that is going to kill us all.