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A Brand New Model for an Australian Republic

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ok...this is it

http://www.angelfire.com/id/ronajoyner/

quote from link

<<<<In the FOREWORD/..written by Premier Peter Beattie,..we have it "straight from the horse's mouth".

<<He says "Queensland's identity as a State,..and the democratic ideals..on which our State is built,..rest on the Constitution."

<<Which Constitution..is the Premier referring to..in this context -

<<the new fake Constitution/..or the true Constitution of 1867?

<<We do appear//NOW under these changed circumstances,..to have..two Constitutions...
...I will show you WHY and HOW shortly>>>.....from

http://www.angelfire.com/id/ronajoyner/

so go see..for yourselves...last time it took/..weeks to find it...
now a mere few hours
you in seconds...please ask..for the other claims..to be confirmed..it gets very messy

ok..you got the finshed product...there is more
[search out powers and immunities chapter 3..or part 5 proxy voting
or the definitions and addendums

but i searched out the info..
its difficult info..to find...now

but duplicate the effort...try...just a search..for qld constitution

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=qld+constitution&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

you get..a blury copy ..impossable to read

http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/item.asp?sdID=49

i posted the other two options...previous post..but you missed it?
note the smooth...reading...lol...each page sepperated/..hiden..in its own link...

like lawyers..hidding the flow...of what?

we cant read the origonal grant..easy on the web..
[lawyers been running this state ....since before sir joe]

there was a woman...i forget her name...[it vended up being rona joyner]
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=rowena+qld+constitution+act+70+of+2002&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

a few more...google searches later
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=joyner+constitutional+convention+queensland+70&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

then the info..is possably..in here
but...its a fullsome site
http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/republic2.html

a closer search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=rona+joyner+constitution+queensland+act+70+of+2002&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

ok this might be it

http://www.angelfire.com/id/ronajoyner/

pericules...i was making a joke
stupidly i printed it out..[before realising it was all greek/latin..to me]
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 22 November 2009 11:27:20 PM
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The United States model for all its failings is still the best model for the checks and balances necessary for political reform to occur.
This, simplistically, consists of presidential executive that introduces policy at a federal level. With a house of reps and senate similar to the Australian Westminster based setup.
The incumbent must surrender his elected political position if held, i.e. republican or democrat prior to taking up the appointment to the executive.
The person elected, irrespective of party allegiance , must have lived in their electorate for at least 10 years , and be living in that electorate for the time of office.
Next and the most important issue that would affect Australia is the local Government Issue.
In the United States everything is controlled by the people. All positions are elected whether it is fire chief or head of police, and as such can be remove from office, for lack of performance among other issues.
Voting is not compulsory and, all bills and funding increases must be passed by the elected members, only after a referendum to the voters is undertaken. I.e. the people have the right to vote in or out the initiatives at any given point.
These processes involve many billions of dollars. e.g. the local school funding is voted in annually to allow for the allocation of funds for unforeseen expenses.
The majority of funding is done by borrowings again with a multimillion dollar capacity. Thus if abridge is built it is paid for not continuing debt to local/state/federal government as our existing tax revenue base. Thus when n due date is reached the structure become the possession of the local government. Not a further tax burden which gets incorporated into general revenue.
I cannot stress enough the importance of this local government component as the essential underlying feature of why he USA system works.
Posted by thomasfromtacoma, Monday, 23 November 2009 10:56:23 AM
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I'm a Queenslander, in the Cairns area, so a long way from Canberra. However I strongly believe the current three tier structure of government, dating from Federation in 1901, is now outdated and really does need a re-jig. The country was federated before we had telecommunication and air travel, long before there was any sense or need for continental-scale coordination of natural resources (particularly water). Functionally, at the present time, in so many ways the continent naturally operates as a single country, rather than as a loose federation of semi-independent states, and the existence of the State legislatures just makes things complicated and tiresome, particularly when we are only around 20 million people. I would support the scrapping of Section 51 and the assumption of much of the current law making powers of the states by the federal government.
Posted by Rubberneck, Wednesday, 25 November 2009 10:35:57 PM
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we need to sepperate power's..govts run to serve busness..when they were set up to control business...

we set up govt...to rule over business..now business has subverted govt..to rule over the people...holding us down while govt and big business sucks us dry

reveal in the constuitution..where govt got givenpowers/rights to tax wages...income is money made..by non value adding..ie on selling goods....not wages

but we have this absurdity..where lawyers are making law..[near half of all govt members are..or were lawyers]...yet this seems fine/with the sheeple..

the constitutions..arnt followed in court...see there is civil law..or contract law...and/or criminal law..in courts...

criminal law requires an injured party...civil law mearly requires an informed concent[its based on contract law]...see when you need say a liquor licence..you apply to fall under the liquer act[and so many other acts....these fall underr civil/contract law

see we gave civil servants certain powers..but also certain penalties..thus the powewr and the penalty...is all in the same act

you have to apply/[apply means beg]..to fall under the act...thus by applying under the transport act...you became a contrated civil servant..when you applied/begged for your licence
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 26 November 2009 7:24:47 AM
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a licence is..permission to do that otherwise illegal..[for any one under the act]..if your not under the act the act has no powers over us[only those seeking the powers under the act]

yes ity sounds reasonable..to require licences..to drive automobiles..but we never granted govts that right...but because its reasonable...we let it slide...

so they turned up the temp a bit

intoduced other laws...till now..we get to the absurdity of a police state policing..medicine...[drugs...ie self medication..as a statuted crime...has via lies and deeceptions...deemed a plant a drug

a plant of course isnt a drug...just as willow bark isnt asprin..it contains a drug..but willow bark is bark..containing a drug...so to cannabis...is a plant

[containing 3000 other chemical/substances..one of which[thc]..is a drug...but the other 99.999 percent of cannabis..is not drug

yet we have 20 out of 21..cannabis/growers/smokers ...pleading guilty of possesing a drug...when any fool lawyer..can reveal to you that a plant..[in the ground...is a fixture..[look at real estyate law...a fixture belongs to the ground/earth....

thus idiots are conned/to believe they are criminals..for letting a plant grow..thus we have idiots saying they posses it...when a lawyer could simply say...no you dont...it belongs to the land

but the scams go-on...in qld the drug law rakes in one billion of income to the state...each year while criminalising one percent of its people EACH year

and thanks to free/legal aid..they get..free/advice to plead guilt...gaining an eternal criminal record...for a thing of no concern to the state..[but for the steady income..it provides..for lawyers...in court...

and lawyers making laws...and judges with fat retirement superanuastions..draining the state cofferes dry

see a judge should know law...but claim they dont...simply by refusing the terms of the magna carta..ie no man can plead guilt...testimony of two witness ...witnessinmg injury is required...not guilty/plea

plea is contract law..you lot been conned via civil juristiction obtained under lie of..being ..'a person'..under the act...

see we made laws for persons..[corperate fictions...allowing trade...somehow we all been elivated into..'persons''under'' the act

even contracted into it..[in ignorance]...only those seeking powers under the act fall under it..but thats not taught in school
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 26 November 2009 7:30:21 AM
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Whilst don’t condone or approve of cannabis use I can appreciate where one god is coming from in that basis of law that is screwing all Australians the PPD.
Where there is no intermediate body that scrutinizes cases as in the USA where we have a DA that the police have to present their case before there can be arrest, let alone a court case let alone a conviction.
The PPD, because it is above any common law right, let alone any constitutional right. I.e. The right to have an attorney, diminished capacity etc; the assumption by law is that you are guilty if you go to court (on a police officers say so?)
Because they, the police, are just sooo truthful, BIG SARS.
Not as in the USA where you are innocent until proven guilty. The basic right of all peoples in DEMOCRACY.
Posted by thomasfromtacoma, Tuesday, 8 December 2009 2:17:38 AM
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