Dear oh dear CJ, what do you expect me to say now?

How about the obvious –

If you could have provided ANY evidence for the Qld Greens dealing with issues of population and sustainability in practice then you would have, given that you are a member n all.

“I will, however, point it out when you're egregiously wrong.”

Er, a good way to have shown that I was wrong would have been to show where the Greens are actively pursuing their planning and development policy, or actively criticising Bligh over the subject of this thread or the wider issue of southeast Queensland's massive population growth, wouldn’t it?

Come on, you're in the party and you are (apparently) concerned about development and sustainability. So you ought to know about this all-important stuff.

It is perfectly reasonable for me to ask you and it is piss-weak for you to just tell me to go do my own homework. I can find things on their website, but that wouldn't help very much. The 'word' from an insider such as yourself (well.... someone who is a little more in touch with the real activities of the party) would be of more value.

It seems that you have effectively shown that I am quite right.

Ludwig - I'm neither a Greens spokesperson, nor an "insider". I'm just an ordinary "grassroots" member who lives too far out in the bush to even attend meetings. If I wanted the information you're demanding, I'd have to telephone or email a spokesperson and ask them.

Which is why I suggest you do your own homework if you really want that information, rather than ignorantly and incorrectly suggesting that the Greens are unconcerned by rampant development and population growth in Queensland. I've pointed you to the Greens' policies on sustainability and the SEQ Regional Plan, and to the website where contact details are listed for spokespeople.

Like I said, it's up to you to do your own homework. I'll just continue to point out where you get it wrong - I also won't be responding to your dumb question on Hasbeen's dumb thread, except to say that I certainly don't agree with you.

So then CJ, you have admitted that you are quite out of touch with the party that you are trying to defend! You just don’t know what the Greens might or might not be doing in regards to population, development, sustainability and our terribly off-track Qld premier! Extraordinary.

How can you not know, if you are interested enough to be in this discussion and to be in the Qld Greens. It doesn’t add up at all?

The assertion in your post of 19 Nov that I have a “propensity to misrepresent them on every possible occasion” is as is so often the case with you, just words with absolutely no foundation. You apparently don’t have a clue as to whether I’m right or wrong!

Unfortunately, it appears to be an accurate representation of them for me to say that they are doing nothing of any significance about population and sustainability.

Now I’ll just have to assume that you do indeed agree with me regarding Rudd’s expenditure of the national surplus, as I stated on the ‘The loin [sic] that turned out to be a mouse’ thread, http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3222#76832 but that you are just not going to admit it.

It is a sensible question, which could lead to meaningful debate. But nooo, you won’t be in it. That's a bit weird! (:>/

Now let's get this straight.

Ludwig's OP rightly criticises Anna Bligh's mooted $3000 top-up of the First Home Buyer's grant. I and several others agree with him.

The next day Ludwig is asked by examinator "... which other political party is *trying* to address the population issue?"

Ludwig's reply: << None Xammy. Not the Libnats, the Groans nor anyone. But curiously there was a mention in the Courier Mail yesterday that Bligh has been niggled for ages by these parties over the subject. I say; phoowey to that! >>

I reply by pointing out that << the Qld Greens have made strong and detailed submissions to successive SEQ Regional Plans around the general issue of sustainability since as long as I've been involved with them. >>

I then quoted the appropriate section of the Qld Greens' Planning and Development policy and provided a link to the Greens' website.

I also made the point that << the only mainstream political party to have a policy regarding ecological sustainability in SE Queensland is the Greens >>

Some days later Ludwig acknowledges his error in a roundabout and snarky way, and then wants me to provide "more detail on just how they are in practice dealing with these issues in Qld".

I tell him, in effect, to go jump and do his own homework.

Now I'm repeating that sentiment :)

Incidentally, Ludwig - how many submissions have you made to regional plans in Qld on the issue of sustainability? How do you in practice deal with these issues in Qld - beyond babbling on in online forums and slagging off at the ALP and the Greens?

Thanks for the summary CJ. Not sure why you felt the need to express it though.

As I implied if not directly stated previously, putting one’s position in writing is one thing while pushing one’s barrow vigorously is another thing altogether.

The Qld Greens have done the first and done it well. But I can’t see that they are doing the second to any significant extent.

I am very wary because there is a history of this sort of thing. The national Greens have some good policies, but just don’t act on them by all accounts. Similarly, the Australian Conservation Foundation has had a good population policy but has just been pitiful in addressing it.

So, which party is trying to address the population issue? My answer remains; none…as far as I can see.

Now, how about going and doing a bit of the most basic research so that you know what the party that you belong to is really doing in this regard. You can then speak with some authority instead of making a fool of yourself by asserting something and then admitting that you’d “have to telephone or email a spokesperson and ask them” about the exact thing that you asserted!

Then you can share your new-found information with us.

You refused to answer my perfectly relevant and neutral question on the ‘loin’ thread. So why should I answer your questions here?

Come on, we went over this a couple of years ago. I made it clear then that I am willing to answer your questions if you answer mine, which of course is perfectly reasonable. It’s got to be a level playing field here CJ.

Aww gee, I can’t resist in answering your question;.’How many submissions have I made?’

Many.

Well bully for you, Ludwig. Now off you go and do "a bit of the most basic research" for yourself before you put your foot in it again.

Do your own homework. I've got better things to do than pander to your obsessions.

Bye.