Well interesting results, those who read my posts will understand I went intent on being unhappy with my team.
Truly it did not happen, well yes I did not join in the joy for Julia throng.
More on that later but that instant action on gaining total power has impressed me, and even if the first and biggest head to roll came from my faction I loved it.
I came back from country conference full of hope, and do so here after this.
Hope he means it, he has a plan, oh I understand we will not see a change in direction from media, even good things rubbished by an intent to tell voters who should rule, but maybe?
Just maybe a lessor defeat? well face it maybe unless we get an opposition a win by default?
Let us watch.
Julie my girl, remember that left wing ladder that bought you to the top?
Those years battling for people like us?
I did not want to stand, but I did.
I did not want to clap ,but I did, just a very little bit.
Mostly stood with my hands in my pockets remembering today.
Rules still in place made in John Howard's union hating time, protect bosses I must talk to this morning.
They may never pay the right wages even super, not care about safety, hide behind ABCC children.
People you give more rights to than me, Julia I will never clap, never forget, never stop hurting at my team forgetting a term I never will.
Fair Go Mate, it is Australian for justice.

So Belly, did they discuss Rudd's 'big Australia' policy? Or wasn't it worth discussing coz everyone agrees with it?

If it was discussed, was the dialogue centred around how to increase the population growth rate even further than the current record level, along with the overall expansion of our economy and everything that goes with it? Was there any mention of any negative factors related to this sort of policy?

Was there a single mention of sustainability??

If this stuff wasn't discussed, then what on earth did they discuss?

Oh o o o oh, hold on - asylum seekers on course.

So presumably this discussion was centred on how to deal with the problem that Krudd has created with his weakening of border-protection policy.....oooow, I mean..that the push factors have caused and that Krudd's more 'humane' policy has nothing to do with?

I don't spose anyone dared to talk about the most important thing of all - how to get RID of Rudd ASAP, so that the Labor party can undertake some semblance of sensible governance!!

No Ludwig it was not high on the agenda.
Mate keep your balance on this issue, yes I understand you do not like Labor.
And understand, even agree we are intent on over populating Australia.
I,surely you too, am stunned by the blindness of the city bases idea Australia is an empty country waiting to see deserts bloom.
In that matter if no other, I blame over population for climate change.
But do you for a second understand both sides, both party's, are looking for a big Australia?
Insult the idea, not one side because it is now the one doing what both want to do.
Insult the idea and understand if we control our population, keep it at todays level, even reduce it, others never will.
Do you truly think we alone can make a difference?
Climate change will always be about many things, but population must be up there at the top.
Conference?
Better much better, in fact while I have my doubts the invisible opposition may just have to work to win.

Well the opportunity was there to talk about NSW politics we did not take it.
Not every thread gets a kick start but I thought we could ask just why s NSW heading for an election no one cares about.
Unlike those who say I am ALP and that every thing I write should be discounted, I often find fault with my side.
If we are now on the path to a better party why has it taken so long?
Why not behead, gee if only we could, every ex parliamentarian who gets paid to convince his/her mates to pass bills.
In fact why not get every such person imprisoned if found with a bulls roar of the house?
Why can money ,anyones money any side buy favors?
We should build a special prison for criminal politicians, it could be called, the Bob Askin prison for dead beats.
Well in truth we may well be on that path I hope and think so, but we need to understand the only way from here has to be better, we are at the bottom.
By the way Ludwig just tip Rudd is not a member of NSW ALP thought you may not know.

"No Ludwig it was not high on the agenda.
Mate keep your balance on this issue"

Belly, Labor has NO balance if these all-important things weren't 'high on the agenda'.

What do you think is unbalanced about my comments or views?

"yes I understand you do not like Labor."

Worse than that - I detest Ruddite Labor.

"But do you for a second understand both sides, both party's, are looking for a big Australia?"

Of course I do. That's why I keep strongly suggesting that the Libs need so urgently to change this basic philosophy and embrace sustainability and population stabilisation....and in doing so, set themselves right apart from Labor, so that the australian public has a genuine choice at the next election....and so that this country has some chance of salvation before the imbalance between the demands exerted by an ever-growing population become completely unsuppliable by an ever more seriously stressed resource base and environment.

I know you appreciate and support this sort of sustainability-oriented argument....which begs the question; how on earth can you remain within the Labor party or give them your support?

"Insult the idea, not one side because it is now the one doing what both want to do."

Belly, I do 'insult the idea'. The reason I lambast Rudd so much is because he and Labor are in power. If Turnbull was in power, he'd no doubt be doing the same sort of thing and uncurring my wrath to a similar extent....although I guess that he wouldn't be quite as gravely bad as Rudd.

Dear Ludwig,

Geez Louise - don't hold back, tell us
what you really think!

You can criticize Labor all you want -
the fact remains the blunders of the
Libs lost them the last federal election.
And much as you may dislike the PM the
Opposition have a leader who simply can't
cut it with the public.

Even the newspapers question, "Can Turnbull
Survive?" (Insight, The Age, Saturday, Nov.14 2009).
The Age article explains that, "Turnbull had no
strong mandate from his leadership win. The right
hated him, seeing him as a trendy lefty from
Wentworth with all the wrong attitudes. Many Libs
had voted for him thinking he would lift the
opinion polls when he didn't, they were at first
surprised even disbelieving, then shocked. As the
months passed, Turnbull did not seem to have a
distinct agenda. Libs could not get a handle on
what he wanted to do; to the extent they could
work it out. Turnbull seemed to be in a different
space from many of them..."

As one Liberal MP who wants Turnbull gone told
The Age, "He is a Labor Party person in the
Liberal Party..."

No wonder you like him Ludwig! :-)

Dear Belly,

The Conference sounds like it achieved something
positive and that's a good thing!

Somebody once said: "Communication is like a
Rubix Cube there are countless numbers of wrong
twists and turns, but when you get it right, it
looks perfect no matter what way you look at it."
(Or words to that effect).

Correcting past mistakes is a way of moving forward -
something the Libs need to learn.

"Geez Louise - don't hold back, tell us what you really think!"

Always Dear Foxy. Why, would you expect something else? There's no beatin round the bush with this Ludwig dude!

Is there something you disagree with? Are you implying that I'm overstating something?

I think that I'm spot on with my criticisms and with the level of lambastery therein. Well..of course I do !!

"As one Liberal MP who wants Turnbull gone told The Age, 'He is a Labor Party person in the
Liberal Party...' "

Hey, they are all peas in the same pod. There is no significant diff btween the Libs and Labs. In fact, we really should start calling them the Ruddiculous Liblabs and the Turnfullofbull Liblabs or the Riblabs and the Tiblabs or something like that!

"No wonder you like him Ludwig! :-)"

Who, Turnfullo'bull? Scuuuze me!! Oow I feel decidedly ill now!

"The Conference sounds like it achieved something positive and that's a good thing!"

Huh? Pray tell, what did it achieve?

Ludwig first are you sure you are happy for those posts to represent you?
Do you understand the mess that is/was NSW ALP has nothing to do with Rudd.
Achieve?
remember the faceless men? for the first time in this states history my party leader has the right to pick his own team.
And to get rid of faction appointed dead heads, he has already got rid of a high roller from my faction, center unity, a blessing for both my faction and party.
Before launching into your post did you read the outcomes?
Have you any understanding of the new transport policy's?
Do you know about mandated introductions of minimum use of ethanol
Can his move to BAN developers donations have passed you by?
And is the move to stop slugs, sorry ex parliamentarians representing outside interests [surely a breeder of corruption?] a better way.
How about the idea elections should be clean, and maybe publicly funded to keep them that way?
No not yet convinced we are back on track but we are better today than a week ago, a real achievement.

Can it only be three weeks?
From the day my party gave more power to its state leader[sorry for the pun he is hardly that]
One day less from the day he used it to remove men who never should have been there?
Threats, taunts, demotions and stand over tactics will not restore my party.
Can it be true? yes in NSW the home of the very engine of the ALP the dreadful DLP is opening Branch's.
Sitting on the back bench's warts and all, is a true leader, a man with a plan.
John Dela Bosca.
He is human, he has done wrong, but boy he has more often done very well.
If we are to be wiped out let it be for doing the right thing.
Let it be for trying to be better.
Lead by a man who cares.
It is time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the party, to think about the nameless rank and file who work so hard and are never seen, it s to them you owe your high positions.

Well Rees is gone.

I bet you’re elated Belly.

Let’s hope that NSW Labor can now get their flipping act together under the first female premier, Kristina Keneally.

Yes I am Ludwig, even more so if Obed and Tripode could get a new job selling papers out side the place.
Yep both are from my faction but we would be better without them.
A lady from Wollongong could set up a fruit stall, and just maybe a few more, of my mob, could form a street sweeping team, just keep them out of the place, forever.
Good Luck to JDB back in the ministry.
Good luck to my new leader, just because you are who you are I hope you make it, no red hot go,s please.
The last one got trampled by a snail.
Whistler how do you treat this? two women running this state? a male plot?
They can only do better no one could do worse could they? please do not answer that.