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The left, right Joke

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Interesting thought has occurred to me while reading different posts.
Many posters tend to label opposing POV and specifically their authors as Left or Right. I would like someone to explain exactly what that means?

NB Neither Capitalism, Socialism (often confused with communism) actually exist as such. All the example of governments that allegedly practice these philosophies are actually better described by other terms.
North Korea/Cuba are defacto dictatorships. USSR was never communist in the sense of Marx/Engles the creators of the communist philosophy .

Capitalism as practiced is more a perverted oligarchy based on maintaining status quo financial power as opposed to (non existent)level playing field and (limited) competition. Both the latter are foundation pillars to capitalism.

On the day to day level it would be an act of extreme zealotry (blind faith to claim) that people actually practice those philosophies

What do you mean when you use those terms? Define and discuss?
Given that the public is supposedly better informed/educated today is it realistic/meaningful to use those terms any longer
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 10:38:35 AM
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Dear Examinator,

Some people may still believe in myth creation,
cemented by repition. But times are changing
and people are beginning to not buy into
simple slogans like, "The unions have too much
power," anymore.

Demonizing the Opposition however,
worked so well for both sides
of politics for so many years.

Behind many of the labels of Right/Left -
lurked philosophies that with time
became difficult to swallow,
because they had the divisive effect
to cause this country
a great deal of harm, should they be taken
seriously.

We were sold the bill of goods that the Right was the
politics of money and power. An idealogy of greed.
The Left was supposed to be for social equity,
and the idea of an egalitarian society.
The Right supposedly was
pro America, pro nuclear weapons, pro the monarchy,
pro big business and pro development. They supposedly
were anti conservation, anti union, anti peace movement,
anti multiculturalism and anti government...

Would anyone today seriously buy into
any of those scenarios? I very much doubt it.
People today are not that gullible.
They tend to question things more and demand
answers from their Members of Parliament.
Most people today are neither Right or Left but
possibly somewhere in the centre.
Today, people expect more then just
scare mongering from their Leaders - and Governments
are judged on performance and policies rather then
rhetoric and condemnation.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 1:27:45 PM
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Well, I personally percieve left/right as a spectrum of more/less dispersion of rights, ownership and resources- respectively.

Yet we instead use some crazy warped concept of left/right:
If you are nice and easy going, you are "Left"
But if you're racist, strict or MEAN, you are "right"

Seriously, that very much seems the case.
Posted by King Hazza, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:41:31 PM
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King Hazza,
Even there the divide falls down because of conflicting reasoning e.g. according to the 'right' the left want to regulate every thing to death yet are defined as libertarians who shouldn't have free speech etc.
Yet the 'right' want unlimited personal rights of speech, right to be offensive insulting, tell it "how it is", to conduct business without controls but control personal sexual orientation, unions, criticism of themselves and keen supporter of organised religions dogma (rules).

Tell me what's wrong with is picture hint... 'stereotyping' one name fits no body.
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 6:04:58 PM
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It's not as simple as slotting people in to left or right.

People 'pigeon hole' others just so they fit nicely in to their ideals of how things work. Some people JUST NEED A + B = C to make sense of everything.

Those are the people that you could sit and talk sense to all day and not make DINT of difference to their little box. They are usually people who have their belief, or understanding, and just won't even consider differing ideas.
Posted by StG, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 10:36:35 PM
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Originally the terms came from the french parliament where the toffs sat on the right and the commoners on the left.

Now the right stands for capitalism, god, dictatorship, money, climate change denial, big business, private everything, digging holes, clean coal(LOL) and cruelty to refugees and anyone poor or in prison etc.

The left stands for democracy, people power, renewable energy, cycling, recycling, crystals and other hippy sh!t, saving whales, barter, organics, free education, public transport and compassion.

Very simplified but basically thats how I see it.
Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 11:35:33 PM
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