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I cannot see too much hope. I live in regional Australia and the gap seems to be widening between us and the city, so the gap would becoming even larger for our Indigenous people. The population is becoming highly urbanised so there simply cannot ever be fair representation of those that reside outside the major cities.

So I see we will add non Indigenous to the same trouble pot. Humans react all the same to similiar circumstance. In the regional areas everyone will end up drunk and dead from being cast aside like some rural weed.

Noel Pearson is a great ray of hope, if Indigenous do not want his representation I will take it:)
Posted by TheMissus, Saturday, 7 November 2009 11:37:36 AM
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TheMissus,

"Noel Pearson is a great ray of hope, if Indigenous do not want his representation I will take it:)"
Noel Pearson has no more capacity to represent the entire Indigenous than any other as I have said and also King Hazza no two Indigenous nations are of the exact same ideas and as King Hazza said " I feel that we should, but not quite in a manner limited to a couple of Aboriginal guys as consultants- as the different Aboriginal nations and cultures are COMPLETELY different- it would be like having a single representative for all of Europe!"

I tried to contact Noel Pearson in relation to my sons case and couldn't get to first base

I placed my thanks to Tom Calma and Allyson Campbell as it is the first time that I have been able to get past first base in 12 years

After speaking to Tom Calma he recognises that we need a representation from all the nations of the Indigenous and is prepared to try this with also equal representation of the women

Thanks for your time
From Dave
Posted by dwg, Saturday, 7 November 2009 12:12:00 PM
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Dave, Yes I understand he would not represent many. This is why we will never have proper representation outside the cities. Too much diversity. Indigenous diversity is massive alone. Take main roads for example. They only ever seem to be built or maintained when there is mining, large scale agriculture or tourism in a regional area. In other words it needs to of benefit to a city person before the rural or Indigenous person. Near all decisions have finanical consideration before human. As nobody will have financial might without these basics then the gap just grows bigger.
Posted by TheMissus, Saturday, 7 November 2009 12:33:33 PM
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TheMissus
I agree to a fair extent to what you are saying but it is not only the financial side that the politicians look at it is the number of votes and the cities just have too many seats to be won ie ten seats in the same acreage as one in the country
The thing with The indigenous is not an isolated case it is widespread right across society
We have the oldest continuous culture and people that want to continue this then it is time we preserved that culture and learnt from it
By looking at this culture we can see that alcohol and drugs are not healthy for mankind, we can also see degradation of the environment is also not healthy for mankind, greed is not healthy for mankind then have the urban communities cut these things and find a way to implement these concerns into urban society
The big trouble is that so much has been given and once given it is hard to take back
There is much more that I could say but am limited to the amount that I can post
Thanks for your time
From Dave
Posted by dwg, Saturday, 7 November 2009 1:13:29 PM
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Ideally Indigenous culture should be allowed to evolve into whatever it wants in a natural fashion. However without mainstream education then young people would not have the choice , but given a good mainstream education there is little incentive to stay around. So success is to get the education required to leave the community. Same as small towns, best if the young get a good education so they can leave. SO same though easier for integration into cities for white rual youth, though still the same limited choice.

There is no deep seated support for community, so plans will be written up, money injected here and there but there simply is no evidence of support for long term regional cultural and community growth. There is no evidence of support for real cultural differences. Building codes, council approvals, mass production of materials doom all building to look like. Business entry restricted by a range of laws , procedures, compliance, economy of scale. Enough to turn off many from even trying and resulting in bland cultural facades.

Indigenous have the only culturally relevant art and music. The didgeridoo is so underrated, not until it is heard played by a master in a natural setting does it’s astonishing beautiful sound become apparent. Was never made to be played by a busker alongside 6 lanes of traffic! People like Willie Gordon and festivals like Laura are uniquely important in a country devoid of any real cultural identity. IN FNQ they had six weather seasons that actually made sense. Then along come our educated in climatology who came up with wet and dry lol. There is much to respect and for all Australian to take pride in but if you can’t float it on the ASX I am not sure it will survive. Plus the total disconnect of people in cities from the bush, they have no reality to draw from.

So yes I think we are all the same, success is measured by the urban masters. Then yes we will regret, and already do, what we have lost.
Posted by TheMissus, Saturday, 7 November 2009 2:19:13 PM
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Dave also.
Theres a saying that SOME of us whites use up in our mixed race backwater in FNQ. The only difference between white and black drunks is that we do it behind closed curtains. Most know that more white than blacks have a drinking problem. The health impact is more noticeable in Indigenous but far, far fewer drink.Maybe that truth needs to get out.
Posted by TheMissus, Saturday, 7 November 2009 2:35:52 PM
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