Yes bloody meat. I too am a meat eater, but suspect that manflesh is more like pork than chicken Shadow, an Islamic justification for not eating it interestingly, and I note the recent push for transplanting pig organs.

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Co-incedentally CNN recently published a view from the Green forums that a vege driving a HUMV is contributing less to GW than a meat eater driving a hybrid.

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Still, I am not familiar enough with the science but wonder if you farm your cows in a sufficiently forested area whether the local sync effect is sufficient to consume and turn into O2 all the excess methane farting and belching?

Yabby,

You are still arguing by extremes. I didn't say eliminate farming of animals ! The fire argument is dependent on where it is as to the lasting damage or benefit.

I simply suggested that evidence suggests we should do it in MODERATION and use techniques more appropriate to the land.

The ramifications aren't lost on me just that our economics encourages short term maximization if continued it is and will lead to the law of diminishing returns. (specifically in marginal land).

I alluded to the adverse changes happening as a result of broad acre tilling ,topsoil loss, productivity reduction requiring increasingly expensive artificial solutions, CSIRO suggestion of micro climate changes, (soil moisture), erosion etc and desertification salt.In grazing the destruction of land by ground compaction from hoof damage, spread of weeds in dung, by too much dung (pads), sheep eating down to the roots etc.

To suggest that farming grazing stops would be inane again I hate extreme/absolutes in any argument as it is artificial and not representative.
I did say I was talking in generalities.
Your arguments are often put up by farmers in marginal land etc.
I was referring to your defense being an industry one I did say "Not knowing your specifics...."
Sorry I thought the intent was clear.

Off topic: Try this I think you'll find it interesting (at least I did.)http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029125536.htm just released to-day on brain stuff.
This is one of 6 sites I read regularly.

SM

Nah more like Tofu (toad Food) Turkey! :-)

There's a bit of chicken, & egg here.

The only place a grazing cow gets any carbon from is grass.

The grass got it from the air.

That carbon was always going to be returned to the air, by a cow, a fire, or perhaps a termite, but it was going back somehow.

Not that it's needed, but to make the greenies happy, they should look at cows as a carbon sink. I can't remember the figures at the moment, but we have millions, [or is it billions] of tons of carbon on the hoof. Our cows keep it out of the air much longer than most of the other return mechanisms, like fire or termites.

So plesase keep off the grass folks, we need it for the cows.

*You are still arguing by extremes. I didn't say eliminate farming of animals*

Examinator, the question of vegetarianism is in fact, one of
extremes, for it implies farming animals or not. That is the basics
of it.

You can then go on and argue about sustainable farming practises,
stocking rates, etc, which is another whole long question.

So my point remains. If everyone stopped eating meat tomorrow,
due to their dream of saving the planet, they would be very wrong,
for the net outcome would be huge fires like we have never seen
before, a point which they would have hardly considered.

Interesting article on topic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/opinion/31niman.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&em

Oh yabby I do feel for you. Hang on in there. You are blessed with much patience.