As energy depletion sets in we will not have the funds to be running
ships, aircraft and Christmas Island and all the other expenses that
this whole immigration system, legal or illegal entails.
If we just rely on the existing population our numbers will decrease
slowly back to a sustainable level.

Natural gas may alleviate the problem to some extent, but not if we
continue to tie up supplies with long term contracts with China, Europe and Nth America.

When we reach around a 10% shortage of fuel we can expect unemployment
to be reaching much higher levels than we now have.
More of us will have to be involved in food production as food costs
increase and fertiliser becomes more expensive.
If we had 20 years to adapt we could avoid this, but we ignored the
advise and the last thing we need is an extra 150,000 mouths a year
to feed.
Seven million people each in Sydney and Melbourne, it just doesn't
bare thinking about.
The financial crash that occurred after the peak in oil prices in
July 2008 was the writing on the wall. Ignore it at your peril.

Is it sensible to keep on injecting more people into this problem ?
Anyway, it is not like we will have a choice, immigration will stop
for financial and energy reasons, no matter what anyone says.

Sydney is already awful. the Harbour is very nice. Full stop. the rest is a dump. Gangs running wild, dogs sniffing you, Nazi train police, bouncers over reacting, camera on your every move, filth everywhere. Ugly buildings. No culture. Same shops as anywhere else, same movies as everywhere else. The big things that maybe interesting for the wealthy only. Dump.

We should be talking about the Opposition's immigration policy. We've gone off the topic.

The GOP policy depends on what the government policy is then they'll go inthe opposite direction. They have NO policy of their own.

socratease

Well like they keep saying they are in opposition and when you are in opposition you do not need a policy. What is the use of a policy if you do nothing with it. We cannot vote on it. They measure public opinion on their reaction or government action and come up wih policy at election.

*But as CJ's example shows they are now more often than not just unsubstantiated hearsay*

Err not so Rstuart, for this stuff eventually turns up in the
news once again. CJ accused me of all sorts of things over the
I-pod story. Hey presto, it raised its head again, for me this
time to hang on to the link and prove him wrong yet once again.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/ipod-ban-for-christmas-island-detainees-20091027-hhkv.html

The good news is that I read alot of news sources, the bad news is
that I do it for my own benefit, not to try and convince our local
ostriches, for their heads are far too deeply in the sand, to notice
anything. So I don't store links on everything.

*Your whole argument is predicated on the idea that asylum seekers are really economic migrants in disguise*

No RobP,not so. My argument is that the genuine asylum seekers
that we know of, are in refugee camps. The boat trade creates
an opportunity for any Tamil or Hazara, even if they don't fear
persecution, to hop on a boat and claim asylum here. Canberra
would be battling to tell the difference,as you admit.

Sure there would be genuine asylum seekers on boats, sure there
are plenty who can play the system for other reasons, to assure
a cushy lifestyle in the West. Take them from refugee camps and
you know why they are there, its also more cost effective.

Look at the figures difference between UNHCR and Canberra, when
it comes to judging asylum claims. It is huge and they both
can't be right. My money is on Australians being more gullible,
for in the real world its extremely difficult to prove, if a Tamil
is here for the money, or for a genuine claim. If he's a good
story teller, he's got his visa.

No Socratease, we are not off topic.
This the very point. The governments immigration policy is madness.
We should stop all immigration.

Missus is a bit over the top. Sydney is a good place to live and I
would not swap it for anywhere else. I don't travel in peak hours much
but anywhere in the world transport is crowded in peak hour.

As I said in another thread we should send them all back, with whats
coming down the track we just cannot cope with more.
Let them sort out their own problems and leave us to ours.