well well well pueril has a soft spot
pity it isnt fort the truth
get it through yor thickhead
she lied a dozen times you ass!

Still ducking and weaving I see, thomasfromtacoma.

>>get it through yor thickhead she lied a dozen times you ass!<<

And you know this... how?

Admit it, you're speculating, aren't you?

And as I said before, my question has nothing to do with Polanski's guilt or innocence.

You made some statements about rape that piqued my curiosity, and which you still have not explained.

You appear to reject the common notion that "no" means "no".

And have substituted the child's right to protest with "I can’t believe there is much dialogue in a rape"

That's what intrigues me, as well as whether your daughter agrees with your definitions.

So far, all we have from you is piss and wind.

thomasfromtacoma: Re; paedophilia, <"it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children.">

Paedophilia is a clinical term for people who are attracted to pre-pubescent bodies. However, many children of both sexes and all ages are sexually assaulted by people who are not clinically classifiable as paedophiles. They are referred to as opportunistic child sexual abusers. The difference is that they are not primarily or only attracted to children; to them the child (or anyone else) is not a separate person with needs, hopes, dreams or human worth - any person with whom they have sex, whether adult or child, is just an object of gratification. The vast majority of opportunistic child abusers and other sexual offenders are misogynists.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=hKiRiF_Gu-IC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA125&dq=misogynists+are+often+child+sexual+abusers&source=bl&ots=iHM4gzm7wW&sig=1wDF945FNX8fMQwufd4wDhKVbYU&hl=en&ei=3ZXNStvtCpHqsQOi9o2xBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#v=onepage&q=&f=false

How you can read any of that testimony and not feel empathy for that child is alarming, to put it mildly. That poor kid; what an awful position to be in. Btw: I fear for any child in your care.

Pericles - Great posts - clever and insightful. Also Dave and others - thank goodness some people here are decent folk and can see through all of this sad muck. Keep up the good fight :)

Pynchme
Thanks, that is a very interesting read but the trouble is it raised more issues with my Son in my mind than it eased as now I must somehow get to speak to my boy as all the secrecy surrounding him raises to many questions
These bastards that prey on the kids are what I and thirteen others swore an alliegence aqainst in 1974 at Parra Gaol the trouble is there are now only two of us left
Somehow I have got to expose the corruption around my Son's case and with the crap that is going on up here but I am growing old and my body near worn out and the other one that is left is near at his end(72 with bowel cancer)
Somehow,someone will stop this shite in the society I just don't know who
Anyway thanks for the read
Have a good life from Dave

PS if you ever want to know more graysond49@yahoo.com

Welcome, I see we have a few more witch hunters in the fold. Good to see.
The level of comment has now degraded attempting involving a 15 yo into this discussion, which was no doubt is peurilicles the purées purpose, to involve underage comment, so much for adult observation.
So what makes you different from a fascist pedophile, peurilicles? You make dwg the depressed the same offer and I will show my daughter the articles and then see if she wishes to comment although why she would bother is beyond me.
Notice I said show, and, see not like your fascist witch hunting behavior.
We all know what fascism is Pericles don’t we, old chap, although as you obviously don’t,
Feel FREE to look it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Now my reply, you ALL better go read “The Crucible” by Arthur Miller, but as you probably won’t (unlike me, with your links)
So I will give you a precise into the substance of the real life witch hunts so prevalent in our society, and be sure of this one thing, the Polanski case is nothing more than a witch hunt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible
I will put this precise in bold large font type so even Pericles the pure, can read it, however, understand it I doubt.
The play deals with McCarthyism no not Charlie the wooden dummy Pericles, but Joseph, (the senator from Wisconsin. Who is obviously similar to but not as limited Atkinson the South Australian attorney General?
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26161507-2682,00.html
Anyway back to the Crucible which is only an analog for fascism.
Just in case you all have lost the plot by now.
The play refers to the Salem witch trials which, again simplistically, involved children testifying against their parents to avoid the torture they knew would eventuate. Many people were burned for their” obvious guilt”, during this legal court sanctioned process.
Starting to sound familiar anyone?
I doubt it you bunch of book burning Nazis.

I'm just a little puzzled why you bring The Crucible into the discussion, thomasfromtacoma.

The point that you ignore - or perhaps forgotten - is that my questions to you have nothing to do with witch-hunts. Unless of course you feel that you are the witch in question...?

But that's just normal everyday paranoia, I can assure you.

>>So what makes you different from a fascist pedophile, peurilicles?<<

I can think of a few small indicators. One, that I am more anti- than pro-fascist. Two, that I have no inclination towards paedophilia. But I guess that, given the logic that you apply to these matters, these facts wouldn't particularly disqualify me in your eyes.

>>The level of comment has now degraded attempting involving a 15 yo into this discussion, which was no doubt is peurilicles the purées purpose, to involve underage comment, so much for adult observation.<<

Just a quick note on this.

Who was it, exactly, who introduced your 15 year-old daughter into this conversation?

>>for 1 thing I have a 15 yo daughter and we have a great relationship, in that she can tell me anything she does, and I attribute that to being confidant of her position being treated as an adult in society.<<

Once again, thomasfromtacoma, you cannot have it both ways.

You say she is treated as an adult on the one hand, but now she is only able to provide "underage comment".

There is too much confusion in your head for you to be taken seriously. You are confused about what constitutes rape, and you are confused as to whether your daughter is a child or an adult.

No wonder you also confuse a discussion on the statute of limitations, the motivation of a Californian DA, the ethics of plea-bargaining and the complexities of extradition, with an Arthur Miller play on McCarthyism.

Although you presumably noticed that in real life John Procter was over sixty, while Abigail Williams was eleven.

So it might have made a pretty good play about the corrupting effects of paedophilia too, mightn't it?