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Aboriginal Housing

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Banjo,
Absolutely and there in lies the crux to the problem.
Simple or quick solutions don't work.
Attitudes like Col's are endemic in certain demographics in the the wider community.
As a consequence simple solutions are demanded of the Government yet on the other these same limited informed(biased) demand unrealistic responses/results which in turn culminates in a bureaucratic night mare.
The sad thing is these same simple solution individuals then go on a 'a victim must be found' hunt without really analyzing what caused the issue in the first place.
IMHO it's a case of the chicken or the egg in a cause and effect context. Hence my comment about codeine.
I suspect theat it's a case of too many wrong people trying to get their share of the credit....the operation was a success jolly good show ( but the patient died)
IMHO and (I guess committing OLO suicide ) I suggest that the key to all this is tribal and tribal responsibility. Mega groups and Area tribal councils serve their purpose but not at the delivery end of the equation. it is whitey's failure to recognize this is near the root of the problem...i.e you must be like us.
In any efficiency discussion results need to feature more.
Posted by examinator, Monday, 17 August 2009 2:03:36 PM
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the grand Proctologist "Attitudes like Col's are endemic in certain demographics in the the wider community."

You mean people who get jacked off by stupid politicians squandering tax dollars on the quixotic pursuit of trying to turn the indolent into the industrious or settling the nomads, regardless of what the nomads want and forcing everyone to share in the common poverty and look the same (from some demographic perspective, within the wider community).

“As a consequence simple solutions are demanded of the Government yet on the other these same limited informed(biased) demand unrealistic responses/results which in turn culminates in a bureaucratic night mare..”

If solutions don’t work (simple or otherwise).. don’t insult me or waste my tax dollars on proving the fact, I have better things I could spend it on than tilting at Windmills

Better a government, bereft of insight and vision, do nothing than simply act against the national interest by wasting the resources which they extort, through taxes, from the people who elect them.

You might not like my “Attitude” but it is that “Attitude” which, as your post admits, many people share.

Of course, we are all allowed to express our attitudes as we see fit and no self-opinionated pontificator will stop me.

“it is whitey's failure to recognize this is near the root of the problem...i.e you must be like us.”

Regarding ‘whitey’: tell me how many racial castes apart is someone allowed to marry without providing some cursory evidence of ‘whiteys problem’?

If I were to marry another “ex-patriate pome”, would that mean I was perpetuating a “whitey problem” or bias?

Would the same “whitey problem” apply if I were to marry say, an Asian?
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 17 August 2009 3:15:22 PM
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nothing has changed in this discussion since it first emerged in the 1970s. demountable houses have already been trashed because they have been an imposed solution with an accompanying lack of health facilites, education, justice administration, security, employment and opportunity for economic advancement required to support housing.
the solution has always been and always will be indigenous self management.
but indigenous communities traditionally govern themselves by agreement between women's and men's councils which contravenes sex discrimination laws enacted to achieve equal rights for women in Western communities despite the anomaly that the Australian Constitution contravenes these same laws by providing for men's legislatures only. so indigenous self management cannot be funded by law.
bureaucrats in a state of perpetual confusion over women's and men's business intervene and fail.
Pearson and others accomplish what they can under a prohibition on tradition.
Aborigines suffer while introduced Australians work out how to achieve equal rights.
indigenous communities will solve their problems when Australians declare an equal rights republic governed by agreement between women's and men's legislatures and committees, which can lawfully fund indigenous self management.
Posted by whistler, Monday, 17 August 2009 5:51:04 PM
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Dear Banjo,

I've got to confess that I know 'zip,'
'nada,' on this subject. I've never
visited an Aboriginal community - and
the only things I've personally dealt with are
the 'dreamtime,' stories, and their
other myths and legends.

I love their
beautiful arts and crafts - and of course I know
their tragic past history - I've read-
all the books and literature I could get
a hold of. But my 'personal experience,'
is non-existant. I suspect that's true of
most of us - 'white,' Australians.

One of my brothers however lives in Kempsey, NSW -
and visited us recently here in Melbourne.
I was horrifed at his "anti-Aboriginal," stand
on so many issues. I ended up calling him a "racist."
To which he calmly replied, "Sis, you should live
next door to some of them - then you'd understand
the issues!"

Perhaps - but I prefer to think that I'd still not be as
judgemental as he was.

I admire the eloquence of Examinator's posts.
He seems to have summed up the subject beautifully.
Far better than I ever could. So, on this topic -
I'll side with Examinator. It makes a great deal
of sense - what he's said.

Before making judgements about any people - we have to
understand their culture - and where they're coming from -
we can't expect everyone to be just like us. And think
that's the only and right way!
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 17 August 2009 9:04:34 PM
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“it is whitey's failure to recognize this is near the root of the problem...i.e you must be like us.”

The root of the problem is "you're NOT like us"! What whitey has and what "blacky" wants is a product of whitey's culture. If you want these products then the only way you're going to get them is by participating in that culture and not isolating yourself from the mainstream while talking about "my culture, my people". If you want aboriginal culture that's fine, just don't complain when it doesn't produce nice houses, cars, hospitals etc. In this regard aboriginal culture is the problem, not the answer.

If you define success as relative affluence i.e. a nice car to drive, a nice house to live in etc. then the aboriginals that have this are the ones who went to school, got a job, saved money, took out loans for a house etc. In other words they participate in whitey's culture.

As I said in another post elsewhere, isolating yourself in a remote community clinging to a stone age culture is a guaranteed dead end. Call me racist if you will, but I don't want to see people of any race dying before their time, lacking an education and living in abject poverty. The billions of dollars of aboriginal funding has hardly made an impact. When there is a large scale attitudinal change within the aboriginal population their situation will rapidly improve. Within a couple of generations their standard of living will be identical to ours.
Posted by A. Dobrowich, Monday, 17 August 2009 9:14:03 PM
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Whistler, you mentioned that the answer to the housing crisis should be '...indigenous self management.'
Having had personal experience in this method, I beg to differ.
An Aboriginal Council was elected to run an Aboriginal-only community somewhere in Australia several years ago.
A parcel of land was allocated. Streets were made, houses were built and a community centre erected. All were built by the Aboriginal people who were to reside in this community.
Much money was spent on this Culturally-friendly community. Community buses were provided and a community health centre established, with the Aboriginal Medical Service to staff it.
An Aboriginal manager was appointed to oversee the community.
Within a year, these people destroyed all the houses built in this community. They ripped off doors and floorboards and roof shingles to burn in their fires, despite the community being surrounded by native bush and trees. They refused to pay water or power bills.
They were then given more money to rebuild houses that were more difficult to destroy. Aluminium fittings and solar power hot water systems were provided.
They threw stones at the solar panels until they were destroyed.
These houses too were eventually wrecked until all the occupants moved out of the community again. They complained that the Government would not provide more houses again.
I left my job helping these people when I began to despair.
I don't know what the answer is anymore.
Posted by Moondoggy, Monday, 17 August 2009 9:32:28 PM
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