MaryE
Capitalism does not mean necessary respect to human rights and democratic values.
Fasism and Nazism was capitalism but they violated agressevly the human rights and democratic values.
China opened the door to big International corporations but did not recognize chinese worker's rights to create their independed trade unions, does not respect their basic human or civil rights.
The corporations have found big opportunities for HUGE profits in china but it does not mean Chinese authorities respect basic human rights or basic democratic rights.
It simple proves one more time that big corporations do not care at all for human rights or democracy BUT ONLY FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS, FOR THEIR PROFITS ONLY!. It is not the first time the big corporations underestimated or violate basic human rights, THEY DID VERY BIG PROFITS IN HITLER'S GERMANY OR MUSOLINI'S ITALY!
MaryE We will not return back we will press China and big corporations to respect human rights in any part of the world!
Do not you know that the corporations who speak for human rights and democracy here the same corporations violate basic human rights in undeveloped countries?
Do not you know that corporations are ready to do everything to increase their profits?
Do not you know that corporations created the financial crisis, the environment problems or close their eyes to human rights and democracy TO PROMOTE THEIR INTERESTS, TO INCREASE THEIR PROFITS?
Do not you know that corporations control our political parties covering their huge costs of political campaigns etc with their big donations?
Do not you know that we , the citizens have limited power on political parties, on our governments?
CHINA IS AN AUTHORITARIAN REGIM AND WE THE CITIZENS WORLDWIDE STAND BY CHINESE PEOPLE, BY OUR CHINESE BROTHERS WHO FIGHT UNDER DIFFICULT CONDITIONS FOR THEIR BASIC RIGHTS.
From one side we invaded to iraq to bring the democracy and from the other we support non democratic, authoritarian regims.
Are we all blind, hypocrities or dishonest. How can we expect other people to understand and respect us?
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Dear Antonios,

My apologies - I missed seeing the link you
posted to Amnesty International in your earlier
post. And, as you know, I've been a member for
quite a few years - and support their work.

AnSymeonakis, collective bargaining is inclusive not divisive, individuals are empowered not diminished.
collective bargaining between primary interest groups is embedded in Australia's Constitution
with the Senate and the House of Representatives.
where i live women and men have replaced the Commonwealth and States
as primary stakeholders with powers of review.

Hello Antonios, you seem to have misunderstood what I wrote in my last post here. I wrote that by being inclusive, not exclusive, with China in areas like trade, culture and communication we will have the best chance of influencing human rights within that country. I certainly didn't write that capitalism in China will solve the human rights issues there; I mentioned capitalism as an example of how China is capable of change; they've gone from a strictly rigid Communist system to a system that has emphatically embraced many aspects of capitalism. My point was if they can make such a major change in that area, then they can make changes in other areas. Capitalism has nothing to do with human rights, just as any "ism" has nothing to do with human rights. If we INCLUDE China as a fully functioning member within the world community, we will have the best chance of influencing change regarding human rights within China. You don't change people by excluding them, you change people by including them, by communicating with them, by exchanging with them. That's what we should be doing with China, and we're doing that more and more every day. And by doing that, the door will become more open for human rights organizations to penetrate the human rights wall within China. Thank you.

MaryE
"by communicating with them"
The problem is that we can not comunicate with chinese people, as the regim blocks them to have contact with the rest of the world.
We press the chinese authorities to open the internet to chinese people, to allow them to comunicate with the rest of the world.
"My point was if they can make such a major change in that area, then they can make changes in other areas" This major changes was from the comunist system not from the people, they do not playied any important role in all these changes, simple some of them grabed the opportunity to build their private businesses.
Chinese people does not have any political power to press for changes in their society, they have no connection with the decision making centres.
In realy the current political system in China is called comunism but it is very close with the fasist system, instead of falangites we have the communists who speak in the name of the chinese working class but who have no connection with chinese workers.
We have a transformation of the communist regime where the properties, fabrics etc belong to the state in the name of the working class in an other system where it is allowed and encouraged the private properties and private businesses but not allowed to chinese workers to create their own independend trade unions or their own political organizations. VERY BIG SIMILARITIES WITH FASISTS!
Do you understand it MaryE? This does not allow us to have any hope for democracy and respect to human rights.
We, democrats, human rights activists do not have any other chance than to fight, to press chinese authoroties to respect human rights and basic democratic values.
CORPORATIONS SPEAK FOR CHINESE AUTHORITIES WE SPEAK FOR CHINESE PEOPLE!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Belly
You have right about china but also we must be very carefull with India and Indonesian too. Billions of people and very close to us and we know they will have big problems in the future of cause their HUGE population and food sortage!
Chinese authorities know that they do not have plenty time before their system colapse and they have sent Han Chinese, violating basic minority's rights, to change the synthesis of population in areas where the minorities are majorities as in Thibet or in Xinjiang with Uighurs.
The resistance of minorities in Thibet or in Xinjiang will grow up as chinese authorities will try to convert them to small minorities.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide