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NSW.Compulsory Acquisition Land Passed

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Last night the NSW Govt passed a bill with the complicity of Barry O'Farrell to allow Govt to compulsory acquire land that is not necessary for the development of infrastructure.This means that a Govt can buy your property on their price terms which may be below market value,re-zone it and on sell to developers for profit.

This also begs the question of a conflict of interest.Developers can approach a Council and offer favours to that Council for a project to be passed.Individuals in Govt could be put in a position of being offered personal recompense to pass projects against the community's will.

I will not vote for Labor or the Coalition at the next election.We are seeing totalitarian Govts ruling our lives once again.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 18 June 2009 9:08:11 AM
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Back in February 09 I went to a meeting organised by Tony Abbott for people to air their concerns about political/economic developments.A gentleman there tabled supposedly a leaked NSW treasury document saying that the NSW GOVT was in debt for $15 billion.It now seems that this was a genuine document.Why did Tony Abbott sit on this information since it would have been to the political advantage if the NSW Coalition for it to be released?It seems that the Public Service runs policy and the political process means nothing.

Now it is revealled that NSW has unfunded Public Service Super liabilities if $14 billion and another $1.5 billion deficit in current operating costs.Back in the 1980'sPremier Neville Wran pilfered the State Super funds to run the state.Many of you will remember the power blackouts.It is highly likely that these State Super losses are not all due to the financial crisis and they have used some creative accounting to make it look like external forces have caused all the losses in State Super.

Also it begs the question;if people in private enterprise suffer up 50% losses in their super,why shouldn't those on the PS suffer likewise? They are saying that the tax payer again must not only suffer their own super losses but also pay for the losses in the Public Service.

We need to have a proper audit of the NSW Govt since I don't think that either Labor or the Coalition are being honest.No wonder Barry O'Farrell is so sheepessly quiet on so many fronts.It will be just more of the same under a different flag.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 18 June 2009 1:38:25 PM
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Arjay, you raise a good point. The lawyers of New South Wales, the Bulls and their fellow grazers, have misled and deceived the people of NSW long enough. The Parliament of New South Wales is a legislature of limited power. The Covenant was enacted in 1986, by the Supreme Court of the Parliament of the Commonwealth. You say the State has unfunded super of $14 billion dollars. How long can we continue to let these bulls rampage. I believe it is a good idea to fund infrastructure, from funds reposing in Super Funds. It certainly funded the Bull Market in the Stock Exchange. What really ticks me off, is dishonesty.

It is dishonest for a State to pretend it is Sovereign. It is dishonest for Catherine Branson to pretend the Covenant is NOT a law of the Commonwealth. It is dishonest to pretend that a State can acquire land in the Commonwealth, without providing “just terms”. It is against the provisions of the Trade Practices Act 1974, and the expressed will of the Australian people as a whole, to make such laws, and if the Tony Abbot you mentioned earlier is fair dinkum, he should stop Parliament in Canberra until their laws are enforced and enforceable.

The atheists and agnostics will scream and pass wind, but the truth is that Almighty God in Australia owns everything, and his agent is Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second. This is set in stone in our Constitution. Her Majesty owns all land. By S 36 and 37 Imperial Acts Application Act 1969, the Parliament of New South Wales recognizes this superior ownership. When the State by bargain and sale sold its interest it cannot by Act take if back. Only a court can reverse a contract. Look up the act yourself. http://bar.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/iaaa1969240/

The key word in that legislation is socage. Socage means jurisdiction. Do you remember The Castle, the movie. The High Court upheld that blokes socage. Socage is an Anglo-Saxon word, that my 2006 computer does not like, but it means the free and common right to enjoy property
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 19 June 2009 8:21:11 AM
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Since 1970 in NSW there have been two governments. A black government by the State, and a white government by the Commonwealth, and like a timid little girl in white, the Commonwealth has been unwilling but not unable to assert its superiority. In 1970, the NSW Parliament enacted these words:

Any Act in force immediately before the commencement of this Act which is inconsistent with the rules shall be superseded to the extent of such inconsistency and while such inconsistency continues to exist.

It has enacted, In any Act the word shall indicates that the duty must be performed.

In other words they repealed the Australian Constitution. They enacted that there is a Crown in right of New South Wales. This is supposed to mean the Corporate State of New South Wales is Sovereign. This directly contradicts a referendum, held in 1899. The government of New South Wales is not in Parliament, it is across the road in the Supreme Court and if you got any money, don’t go there, because you will not keep it long. You will be taxed without representation, you will be mercilessly hounded by a Sherif, and you have no enforceable property rights there today.

The only thing that a State Government has to fear, is an honest Federal Government. If an honest Federal Government, admits the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is law, and is binding on the courts judges and people of every State notwithstanding anything in the laws of any State, then the State is finished. If it has $14 billion dollars in unfunded super, it must file as bankrupt.

When it left the Commonwealth, in 1970, and created a monster in its Supreme Court, the piper was always going to have to be paid. Next year is forty years of State Sovereignty. I have a feeling that the Commonwealth is going to have to set us free, let us sue the State as promised in S 58 Judiciary Act 1903, and call them to account in a free and legitimate Federal Court. We cannot have two concurrent Gods
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 19 June 2009 8:45:17 AM
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You make a good point about State super being used to fund infrastructure BTB but also they should have never sold off the State Bank of NSW or the Commonwealth Bank since banks can create credit from nothing by the fractional reserve ratio of 9:1 ie from $1.00 of deposits they can create and loan out $9.00.We in actual fact can finance our own infrastucture but are now locked into this globalised debt structure of which the Central Banks in Europe and the US have total control.

Trillions of dollars have left this country in energy resources and debt payments.We all should have living standards the envy of the world.Our Govts have sold off income earning assets feeding us the BS that things will be better.They cannot even build a road without us paying a private toll to foreign interests. We are the debt slaves and serfs living under the delusion of enjoying freedom and owning Aust.

I thank you for your enlightened contribution.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 19 June 2009 8:50:22 AM
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New South Wales does not have to be broke, or broken. It has only to admit that after forty years of rebellion, it made a mistake in 1970, and really truly it does want to be part of the Commonwealth. Fess up, we say fess up. Repent and be saved.

The paramount power in the Commonwealth is the Commonwealth. It has the army and air force, and the navy as well, and these are all subject to some sort of civilian control. New South Wales has a paramilitary force, raised and gradually armed to the teeth, as their moral authority has decreased, and civilian control of the Police has become less and less.

There has been a competition going on between the States and Commonwealth since 1900, and the States led by lawyers, have been in the ascendancy, for the past forty years, but we must now face reality. We are not a bottomless well of revenue, to be exploited and used, and membership of the Commonwealth is valuable. To survive as a State, the State had to get the Commonwealth to nobble, or destroy both the Federal Supreme Court and Federal Court. The Commonwealth obliged, and neither has been a court, since 1976. Neither will compete with State Courts, or do its sworn duty to Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, and uphold the monotheistic belief in One God, that underpins our freedom.

In a Commonwealth, there can only be One God, One Queen, and one rule of law. We currently have elevated individuals to the role of a local god; A Court in which the local prince makes legislation for the local population. This local prince these days is a State Public Servant. They have an impossible job. Magistrates are supposed to serve two masters, one State and one Federal, and in some cases simply shred a conviction, when the two conflict. In other cases they simply quash, under the Habeas Corpus Act 1640 16 Charles 1 Ch X. a conviction made without a jury trial, to avoid having to face the fact they are hypocrites
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 19 June 2009 9:13:25 AM
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Remember the popular movie Shrek, and the song I'm A Believer. I am a believer in the paramount power of Almighty God. I was once in a Court, with an arrogant Judge, who ruled against me, when I argued that the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights was a manifestation of the principles of the New Testament and validly enacted law. As he ruled against me, I felt an electric shock pass through my body, like I was in the presence of an absolutely evil force. He died unexpectedly in Paris shortly after.

We all face the potential of being destroyed by an arrogant Judge. Judges were rampant in the Old Testament, and when Judges ruled, the Old Testament Book of Ruth, testifies that famine was widespread. Famine is rampant for thousands of Australians today. It is only present because Judges rule. The Parliament of New South Wales by legislating to acquire land on unjust terms, has to have dishonest Judges, to carry out its legislative orders. It has been doing this for years. It even has a law making it compulsory, for a person to be a member of the exclusive lawyers club, in order to become a Judge.

Neither the State Liberals, nor the State Labor Party are prepared to face the fact that they have done wrong by us. They did us wrong, when they enacted the Supreme Court Act 1970. Until then, we could go about our business in the reasonable expectation of a fair go. The philosophy of never give a sucker an even break, has pervaded State politics and gradually spread to every State and Territory.

I am a believer that the Commonwealth, will come to our rescue, and Almighty God did not make a mistake, when the Christian centre, shifted from the Liberals to Labor in the Parliament of the Commonwealth. Almighty God will move the hearts and minds of the collective soul of the Commonwealth, and we will look after our poor and homeless. I believe in the Trade Practices Act 1974 as an answer to compulsory acquisition on unjust terms
Posted by Peter the Believer, Friday, 19 June 2009 9:38:56 AM
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I'm so glad you guys have finally found each other.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 19 June 2009 10:46:31 AM
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What absolute rubbish!

The councils can only acquire land required for fulfilling their function at market rates, after all normal steps have failed, and cannot acquire for resale.

After the acquistion, if the previous owner can show that the land is not being used for the correct purposes, the acquisition can be reversed.

Read the legislation before posting.

This is to stop owners hijacking road upgrades etc and getting payments of several times the value of their property purely because of the "blocking" of infrastructure upgrades.
Posted by Democritus, Saturday, 20 June 2009 7:08:18 AM
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Democritus ,this was reported on radio the following morning.Perhaps the NSW Politicians should have sent a summary of the act to the media beforehand.We shall see what the outcomes are when this Act is actually put into operation.The way many of these pieces of legislation are worded often make the meaning ambigious.

If Govt is going to determine values,will this be using the Valuer General's yardstick or an independant valuer?
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 20 June 2009 12:10:45 PM
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One can only hope that the Federal court can throw this garbage out.

This is a resalt of brain-dead idiots and power hungry likeminded Looting morons; and it seems to me, like everything else that is happening in Australia is a direct violation of the intent of any constitution ever written here.

If anyone had never understood what was the catalyst to instigate ; “From Domesday Book to Magna Carta” 1087 – 1216 , ad then you would understand that what exists now are the powerful Parasites of mutating authoritarianism ; Ironically funded by Tax paying people.

The state (N S W) Superannuation fund is in 30 billion dollars debt, and drawn funds do not exist - ever compounding debt and out of controll –It never was funded –It is Unfunded and drawn on by Useless Idiot Public sector parasites on a Utopian Gold mine life style at your expense.
Note the word Public servant had ended about 30 years ago – self appointed Barons exist these days-

And now we have three tiers of them .
Good luck .
Posted by All-, Sunday, 21 June 2009 8:27:12 AM
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All are you sure of the $30 billion super liability? They virtually have nothing left to sell off.A few months ago they were hoping to get $15 billion selling off the power.They would not get half that now.If you sell off income earning assets like NSW lotteries,taxes than must be increased to make up the shortfall.

They have made us debt slaves to the foreign banks and corporations.We think that we are better off that the US/UK but it seems that the chickens here,are taking longer to come home to roost.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 21 June 2009 11:33:08 AM
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