Bazz, you seem to be coming around to my point of view.
I agree, we can’t know for sure about Co2, yet it seems likely to me.
Add to that the still climbing effects of CFC’s and all the other nasties we scatter through the environment, we really are asking for it.
For instance, quite apart from the Co2, no-one really knows what the climatic effects are of the masses of particulate matter we now have floating around, from diesels and jets, power stations etc, mega-millions of tons of it, and more every single minute. As it settles it’s clogging our lungs and killing the oceans, god only knows what it does as part of the weather systems, but I can’t see it having NO effect.
Whatever you think of the causes, it really is happening, and we should be preparing for worse to follow, because the one question no-one can answer is, how bad is it going to get?
If it swings back and isn’t to extreme in the end, we can all laugh then, but I’d rather be ready than rooted, any day

I recently read a book called Deception Point. I think the whole Climate Change debate is deception to a point where it is no longer funny. It is part of the great and world wide attack on belief in Almighty God. Its not about climate change, it is about manipulating populations, so they serve big business, and disempowering the individual.

Maximilion asked what it would take to convince me. It would take an enormous amount of irrefutable evidence, that we as virtual fleas on a world dog, on a very small in the scheme of things island, with a very small population can make one iota of difference to the world result. I personally don’t think we can make one jot of difference. Either individually or collectively, we are a single flea on a dog dominated by a huge Chinese and Indian population, all consuming, all manufacturing, all burning fossil fuel, and all hoping to have the standard of living that we enjoy.

I have seen evidence in the form of maps that Antarctica was once ice free. I have read evidence of tree stumps from a vast forest there. The maps have been verified by electronic testing as accurate. We know there was an ice age. One bloke is convinced we face a methane disaster, and writes on OLO. I happen to believe Newton’s first law, that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. As CO2 increases plants will grow better, and absorb more. As population increases, so too will the food needed, absorbing more carbon.

It is easier to be a Christian, and trust in Almighty God. The belief that man can really make a difference, is an attack on belief. It is justification for displacing God, with science, and science has got it very wrong many times in my lifetime.

Give Senator Fielding his due. Give Miranda Devine her due as a journalist with the SMH. She has reported Steve’s efforts to inform himself, in a good article this week. I don’t really like to think God has abandoned us. Things will be okay

My concern is as I described more than Fielding's search for facts about CO2 albeit somewhat misguidedly.

Contrary to the view that (my) objection to him is solely because of his naive attempt to understand what he is clearly not competent to super guess. I would suggest his flaws as a legislator are deeper namely that of his party and his being out of his depth.

As a senator his job is to scrutinize and improve(ensure benefit for Aust and his state.)legislation not play GOD second guessing decisions clearly already made by the public. Conversely had the voted policy been (same ol same ol) reversed he would be IMHO there to scrutinize etc but pass the voted for policy.
All this "Is AGW real or phoney?" is irrelevant given the majority rules under democracy. This is a democracy not an oligarchy either way Fielding loses he's not that smart. I am not given to comments of fitness on political grounds in conversations like this. The decision of the people must be honoured if we are to avoid single person government that ISN'T democracy.

Fields of green is a good topic, because such fields in a natural setting would attract at least one bull. A bull in nature has two horns on his head, one left and one right. Nature is a lot like politics. There are in reality two major political parties, one is the left horn and one is the right. The English have a unicorn on their Coat of Arms, and a lion, and the unicorn, has only one horn, right in the middle.

Examinator says democracy is majority rule. He is wrong. Majority rule is tribalism. Majority rule is the absolute opposite of Christianity, which is why Steve is doing such a good job. He is one of those. Each and every individual under Christianity is valued. Men and women are equally valued, and none are expected to subsume their individuality to the rule of the mob. Apart from a very special relationship with Almighty God, no one man or woman is superior to another in God’s eyes.

The Unicorn in British Law, was in a position to skewer any unjust law, and the Lion, was there to protect the population from predators. Sitting on the top was a little lion with a Crown on his head. That was the Lion of Judah, that the British believed gave their Sovereign, divine power.

What power a Senator has. He can if he sees a contempt of Parliament stop the Senate absolutely while it debates the alleged contempt. He can be a Horatio and stand at the bridge. Parliament has been hijacked by the bulls. Sometimes the left and right horn combine, and that is a very dangerous animal indeed. The Unicorn was supposed to be the natural enemy of the Bull, stronger, faster, and with one well directed horn, capable of skewering a bull anytime.

It was not by chance, that the Royal Seal, was held higher than Parliament. In New South Wales the two horns of the bull, the bull**it artists, combined and when the Liberals abolished the Supreme Court, in 1970, Labor stood idly by

When a Left Horned Bull went rampaging through Australian society in 1972, there was no one to call him to account, because the Right Horned Bull, the Liberal Party, had abolished the Supreme Court two years earlier. Most people for the last forty years have not understood the value of true democracy. The only true democracy in the world today is the United States. Australia is pretending to be one, but we are taken hostage by a two horned bull. We are a house divided between left and right, Green and Conservatives, Labor and Liberal.

In a true democracy no individual was required to be the servant of another. All men were free. I nearly said all men and women were free, but that is only a very recent development. Women once had the free right to choose a man, but once chosen, she was stuck with him. Those days have gone along with the idea that education was wasted on women. Not before time.

In 1976, the Liberals created the Federal Court. It is not a Christian court. It is a pagan temple. It has not done the job of a Unicorn, and skewered the unjust laws of the bulls. It either blindly follows Statute Law or blithely ignores it, but it is not a court of justice. It is there to serve not the public, but the legal profession. It legislates its own laws, without reference to the Statutes of the Parliament, and in that it follows the lead of the High Court since 1953. Democracy bah humbug.

The US has constitutionally guaranteed jury trial, in all matters, but even there the Bulls, like Bush and Cheney, have got around that Constitutional guarantee, because there is a flaw in the United States Constitution. Their Supreme Court does not have original jurisdiction. Ours was given that power. The combined horns of politics, have felt compelled to emasculate that powerful force. By paying Judges, to preside in Courts a bribe, ( $6000-7000 a week) they have bought a licence to do whatever they like. A Court is not a court

The Framers of Australia’s Constitution, rejected an Aristocracy, and a House of Lords in Australia. This has been reversed without a referendum, and about one thousand Lords and Masters, have been created so that the green fields of freedom, can be made the pastures in which the bulls can graze.

We called the Police the Bulls. We also called them Wallopers, and one wag even painted out the Po on a Police sign outside a Station. The sergeant was not amused. They were generally totally respected in their communities, because they did not exercise absolute power, and were not originally absolutely corrupted. They were not corrupted because in every case, they had to take an accused before a court. That court was either two Justices of the Peace, sitting together, or a court with a Justice and a jury. No ifs, no buts, either or, and if property was involved, a Justice and a jury was the only court available. This was true democracy. We got it in 1900, but it is gone in 2009.

We have a media that goes on mad pogroms, against individuals who do not conform. We have absolute power vested in magistrates, single individuals, who exercise most power in the community, and almost universally back the bulls. The Parliament of the Commonwealth has legislated to make these individuals accountable. The Parliament of the Commonwealth, in 1995 made it a 25 years imprisonment offence, to exercise the power of a State over an individual. Every Judge and Magistrate in Australia is an offender. S 268:10 Criminal Code Act 1995 ( Cth).

What we really need is a Senator, prepared to stop the Parliament, until the laws they make in it, are respected. We need a Fielding or a Xenophon, who will sit on his dig, and say STOP. Do not proceed further, until you demonstrate that you are prepared to have the laws you have made, carried out. This is not something a member of either major party or the Greens, will do. The Covenant was enacted in 1986. We should us it or lose it