It would appear to me that if Chris Obrien had a god, or believed in god, he/she was asleep at the wheel, considering the fact that this man was a truely insperational person within our community and lived his life helping others only to be struck down himself.

How could such a person be delt with such a blow if there was a god looking over him.

Now if this comes under the term 'god is watching over me', then thanks, but NO THANKS, I think I will go it alone.

I would like someone to explain why god did this to one of his 'children' and I know this is not the only case.

Perhaps Chris O'Brien reached a level of consciousness that the rest of us hedonists cannot understand.Stephen Hawking also believes in a god.Hawking is totally trapped in his body and most of us would have given up decades ago.

Without this belief,they probably would not have achieved so much and that cannot be a bad thing.

I don't think that the rules of the universe are changed or altered for any individual.It is a game of chance as well constructive endeavour.Chris O'Brien found that in the end it was people who really mattered and was not drunk with power lust as with many greedy people on this planet.That said,I shall remain an agnostic.

Cancer is still a mystery to the medical profession and I don't think God has much to do with it.

It would appear that genetic and environmental factors contribute to the formation of cancers, how much can be attributed to either is still unknown. Genetics may predispose people to certain types of cancers.

Even as an atheist, I can see that perhaps one's beliefs or a strong faith may assist people to cope with these experiences or to deal with the prospect of death. And if it does who are we to deny them?

Pelican
"Even as an atheist, I can see that perhaps one's beliefs or a strong faith may assist people to cope with these experiences or to deal with the prospect of death. And if it does who are we to deny them?
Posted by pelican, Monday, 8 June 2009 10:30:07 AM"

I deny and mock them because they do not keep it to themselves.
How much science has been lost because of religion?.
Even these days they stand against medical science such as stem cell research which could lead to a cancer cure.
Keep your stupid god out of politics and my life.

Dear rehctub,

We find solace and comfort in different
ways during difficult times. I wouldn't
dream of knocking anyone's belief ( or lack
of it). As the saying goes, "Whatever
gets you through the night."

For me personally - the words of Marianne
Williamson sums it up:

"No conventional therapy can release us from
a deep and abiding psychic pain. Through prayer
we find what we cannot find elsewhere a peace
that is not of this world."

I remember being in hospital and given a poem
called "Footprints." In it someone was looking
back on their "path" in life. Along the sand,
they saw two sets of footprints - their own and
God's. Yet at the worst times of their life, they
noticed there was only one set of footprints,
and they cried, "God, why did you desert me at those
hardest times?"

To which God replied, "At those times, my child,
I was carrying you!"

cancer has..nothing to do..with god..[..going by the responses..your talking of the cancer/specialist]..who died from cancer..god has given many cures..for cancer...#

but..the people cleaning-up..from cancers,..activly..keep them from the people...to me..it seems more that..rather than making this pilll/radioactivity merchant..yet another faulse/god..that over saw many dying...seems more like..some crude form of bush-justice...[those who live..by the sword..dying by the sword]..but that would be talking ill..of the dead

so enough..[of the distractions]..[lets get to the supppressed cures]..it is well known..there are..many causes of cancer..[basiclly they are cells/that went bad..[there is new genetical/testing..to determine which..form of..cancer.[it]..is]

there are some cancers..that increase blood-flow..for egsample..[where these are detected/there is a new treatment emerging that stops the creation of new arteries..[killing the cancer]

other cures..are by vibration/sonics..[sound/not radiation]..yet others disolve cancers by electrolisys..[yet other cancers die with high ph]...

but these cures..are forbidden..to be studied..[have been arround for many years..[maybe god..wants the people to discuss the cures..not the dead god/heads..[physition first heal thyself..comes to mind]

the cancer-industry..is huge..[many die/leaving their whole estates to find..lol..a cure..[most die/as a result of the treatment..[..where would the threats..against smokers be..without the fears of cancer

[3 out of 4 people..can never get cancer..they self-heal..strudy them..but..the cancer god/heads dont talk/study about that..

[did one of his relitives die..was it that..caused him to become a cancer-specialist?...was he/geneticlly..vulnerable to cancer..[clearly in hind-site..he was]

anyhow..i have said enough..[..his faith..in the egsistant statis quo..science of cancer..re-occuring..not..curing..obviously failed him in the end,..just as it fails so many...

im..still not seeing..what good from cancer-study..of the sick..why not investicaste the healthy..recall the promises..forever..a cure in a few years..[only to have ever more dying]..as the cure dont meet the proffit margins..the cancer-businesss needs...

may he rest in peace..[but to those..who would grieve him..instead pray for him...or rather pray for his mortal soul..his deeds may just need them

we are really spirits..having a life experience...death where is thy sting..[some thing regretably...athiests cant concieve...energy cannot be created or destroyed..[where did his life force..[animus go]

well do the..thiest's know..[there is more..than mere corruptable..[cancerous]..meat...god gives life..live with it..[no death..honours the life-giver]...the life-giver gives life..[not death]

undidly

As an atheist it is not 'my God' but the God of others.

Yes I agree that religion unduly influences government policy, although less in a secular country like Australia than in some Middle Eastern nations or in the US where there is a strong Christian influence in politics. Obama and Bush are strong Christians and they probably would not have won government without being so, which should be cause for pause than celebrated.

Whether we like it or agree with it, we are not a facist nation and as such people are free to believe what they wish...and they do.

rehctub

Your assertions and attitude certainly confirms their is a devil. IF you have not worked that out yet you are spiritually blind. It sounds like me you have been going it alone. One day however you will face your Maker and no amount of excuses will help you. Look in your own heart honestly and you will see that you no doubt need a Saviour. Thankfully God has provided One for all those humble enough to face up to the obvious.

Arjay wrote: "Stephen Hawking also believes in a god."

No, actually Stephen Hawking has argued that there is no place for a creator and that god does not exist. Stephen Hawking uses the term "god" in the same way that Einstein did.

Stephen Hawking's alledged belief in a god is a myth that has been put out there by Christians in an attempt to give their unfounded beliefs some undue prestige.

Stephen Hawking is an Atheist.

By: malterwitty
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1191454/The-bug-blast-away-cancer-Drug-virus-extends-patients-lives.html

A common virus which causes stomach upsets is giving hope to cancer patients - by boosting their immune system and blasting away tumours.

Almost 80 patients with advanced forms of liver cancer, head and neck tumours and breast cancer are taking part in trials using a drug made from the reovirus.

A number, who have struggled to benefit from chemotherapy, have seen astonishing results, with tumours shrinking and in one case disappearing altogether.

Experts say it is too soon to say if Reolysin is the 'magic bullet' that will kill off cancer, but they believe it may offer a way of extending the life of patients given a short time to live.

more at
http://www.civilrights.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic,389.0.html

Perhaps someone prayed the "imprecatory prayer" for Chris?

http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4126&Itemid=53

It's funny how people think God is responsible for the tough stuff that happens.

What's even funnier is people thinking that if you believe in a higher power you're somehow immune to what life has in store...

It's bizarre, to me.

It's a great loss, losing this Doc. I'm sure he didn't go out blaming God for it. How about we think of all the good this Doctor did with the talents God gave him?.

AdamD I remember some yrs ago seeing a documentary on Hawking and they painted him as a devoted follower of Christ.Perhaps this was in his early days.He does make reference to god in the Brief History of Time, but this is no endorcement of what he really believes now.

Belief to me means nothing to me .It is how you treat you fellow man that really counts.Religion has destroyed belief in spirituality.I shall remain sceptical and live in hope,tempered with the will to survive.

Talking of Prof Hawking, has everybody caught up with this?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/christian_adams/blog/2009/04/21/hugely_offensive_stephen_hawking_cartoon

Seems the Chaser has competition when it comes to being offensive...

Yes, Pericles - but at least the Hawking cartoon has the redeeming feature of being funny. The 'Chaser' skit wasn't.

You won't find me arguing differently CJ

>>at least the Hawking cartoon has the redeeming feature of being funny. The 'Chaser' skit wasn't.<<

It was the moment we all realized that they had finally run out of ideas.

A season too far.

its worth those wjho have faith in quacks to see what happens when a normal healthy woman gets the radiation...'treatment'...little wonder many sick people die FROM THE TREATMENT

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
back ground
Cancer misdiagnosis leaves patient permanently damaged
In 2002 Cary Symons was diagnosed with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukaemia (CLL) - a slow developing disease which often requires no treatment.

Two years after she became ill, Cary was told by Dr Dodds from St Vincent’s hospital that he believed the CLL had transformed into a deadly cancer so she went on to have chemotherapy.

Two years after her treatment she went to the Peter MacCallum Centre in Melbourne where she was told she couldn’t possibly have had the deadly cancer she was treated for.

transcript
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2606494.htm

indeed where is your faith in your docter...[ye that have faith in material things]...these quacks been suppresing the cures..[its a no go area in training those quacks,...cleaning up big time in murder discised as treatment...

how many..that are said to die..from cancer..[die from the treatment]

from
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/article/5717850/health/live-20-years-longer-ward-cancer

Live 20 years longer/ward off cancer
vidio
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/video#

Reporter:Helen Wellings
Broadcast Date:July 10,2009

...were bombarded with an increasing number of pollutants,poisons and additives in our food...

overloaded with sufferers of acute illnesses and degenerative diseases...Thanks to stress,fatigue and heavily processed foods with refined sugar and high levels of salt,.. we're getting sicker.

The Australian pharmaceutical industry is now worth $17 billion a year...It's a business phenomenon with multinationals growing rich from our illnesses...

Via the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme alone,the taxpayer paid $6.45 billion of that sum.

Last year,another 119 drugs were added to the Scheme's comprehensive list of over 2,600 drugs.

"We are a health system that keeps sick people alive..we do very little in reversing the problem,"..says Professor Ian Brighthope.

Cancer rates are soaring..around 40,000 are dying from it each year..that's one in every three of us dying of cancer.

Statistics reveal the battle against cancer is being lost.

In 1986, 53,000 people were diagnosed with the most common forms of cancer. Within 20 years that doubled to over 100,000 and by 2011, around 115,000 people will get the bad news.

And Dr Hungerford says Australian soils are so depleted from a mixture of age and farming techniques,that our food simply doesn't contain enough key micro-nutrients.

"In the soil we need to get selenium, magnesium, zinc, boron,iodine--these are all anti-cancer nutrients,they are also anti-allergy nutrients.

our shopping aisles are full of preserved and coloured foods,fed daily to our children who are suffering cancers at earlier and earlier in life....not to mention vacinations..[and micro-particulate..the two biggest causes..

"We are giving them the most nutrient deplete diet in the history of human kind.

They've got much greater immunological challenges and against that they've got the weakest immune defence."...

Coupled with this is an ever-increasing cocktail of pollutants, pesticides and colourings present in our food.

"The things that really go into our food..pesticides, poisons, colourings, food additives unknown in human history,..into the human diet
it's poisons in the environment and they are everywhere."
its deliberated eugenics
MORE INFO..LISTEN TO ALEX JONES sunday show
http://www.590klbj.com/Bios/Alex_Jones.aspx