http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Special_Projects/ll_splprojects.nsf/vwFiles/Report_Executive_Summary_Recommendations.pdf/$file/Report_Executive_Summary_Recommendations.pdf

One of the Recommendations that has government support that concerns me is where the non-government organisations take over the fostering of children from DoCS. To my knowledge I believe the Department of Community Services retains roughly 80% of the foster parents in NSW with the remaining numbers retained by NGO’s like Wesley Delmar, LWB, Barnardos etc.

It worries me that organisations who do make money from children being in care also have a role in early intervention.

I would suggest a dangerous motivation could be present for early intervention to fail.

I believe the children will not and have not done better being scattered throughout different organisations. To my knowledge caseworkers have limited to no contact with these NGO placed children that are supposed to be under DoCS guardianship.

I would like to see DoCS improved whereas Justice Woods seems to indicate the only way for the department to progress is to take away the very thing, I believe, they should have total jurisdiction over.

This dilution of their function will, in my opinion, lead to more systemic abuse of young Australians.

not sure if you noticed the writing under the coat of arms on the document..The description of the arms embodies the motto Orta Recens Quam Pura Nites..(Newly Risen,..How Bright Thou Shinest).

the report is only a recomendation but has some strange comments
Structure and Reform
Recommendation..2.1
The KiDS Core Redesign Project should be funded and implemented.
..Other matters
a.The arrangements by which DoCS is scrutinised by other agencies are
complex.
..The Key Reforms
Amendment of the Children and Young Persons(Care and Protection)Act 1998..is proposed

..a.referring them to a newly created Regional Intake and Referral Service...That service is to be located within a non-government organisation and it..will determine the nature of the services required
..Reports made to DoCS, which are assessed as being a report that a child or/young person is at risk of significant harm should be investigated by DoCS

..The Regional Intake and Referral Service should be operated and staffed by a non-government organisation
Recommendation 23.6
DoCS should centralise its Allegations Against Employees Unit
Recommendation 23.7

DoCS should revise the findings available following an investigation into..an allegation against an employee
..Agencies,including non-government organisations should be free to exchange information

..Recommendation 24.4
The boundaries of key human services and justice agencies should be
aligned.
Recommendation 23.3
The Community Services (Complaints Reviews and Monitoring)Act
1993 should be amended by:i.repealing s.35(1)(b)and (c)
ii. replacing the requirement for an annual report,in s.43 with a
requirement that a report be made every two years.

..Recommendation 10.10
Caseworkers should be employed on a temporary basis or re-assigned
from Brighter Futures or OOHC work as case management is transferred
to the NGO sector,

OUG:”the report is only a recommendation but has some strange comments”

http://www.acwa.asn.au/downloads/wood/response/MR_NCOSS.pdf
Okay you saw more than me… this quote forwarded from you:
“..Recommendation 10.10

Caseworkers should be employed on a temporary basis or re-assigned
from Brighter Futures or OOHC work as case management is transferred
to the NGO sector,”

Does this suggest that Justice Woods is dismantling DoCS?

its a very dificult document to read..[deliberatly so]..the intro is a lot of double speak...so i scimed though to the recomendations[read the last one first]
Chapter 25 DoCS funded non-government service system
Recommendation 25.1
All NSW Government funding to NGOs delivering universal,secondary
and tertiary services to children,young persons and their families to
prevent or otherwise address child protection concerns should be
reviewed,...so as to establish a coordinated system for the allocation of their funded resources that will eliminate unnecessary overlap and provide for the delivery of service where most needed.

i joined that with the first recomendation[2;1]..forming the new..The KiDS Core Redesign Project should be funded and implemented...with the new recomendations to investigate employeees..[NGO's arnt directly employees of docs]

with the comment in the intro...<<''DoCS has undergone a period of significant reform since 2002 when it received a substantial injection of funds which took the annual budget in 2007/08 to more
than $1.2 billion.

While,in 2008,many of those reforms have been implemented or are underway,insufficient time has passed for the benefits to
be fully evident.>>...that joins to..[2 de link]..<<A Shared Approach to Child Wellbeing Action Plan sets out what the Government wants to achieve over the next five years..and has been accompanied by a $230
million investment in what is described as Stage 1 funding.

Further funding is to be considered as part of the State 2009-10 Budget to be announced in June.
Key features of the Action Plan include:
• Approximately $100 million of the Stage 1 investment will be allocated to NGO program delivery.
• Additional resources for universal health,early childhood education and Triple P parenting program.
• Expansion of Brighter Futures to provide support to an additional 200 families..this growth money to be allocated to NGOs.
• Consideration of transfer of all Brighter Futures to NGOs

anyhow it smells like political payback[to me]..as well as seperating the new rules..[egzempting ngo's from them..[who knows]

Any change jewely has to be good.
The history of child welfare in this country is a shameful one.
Posters may join the thread who can tell of rape, in the hands of those who came before DOCs.
We do not need to go that far back, threads exist here telling of dreadful neglect in every state and even the NT.
We could talk of dead or abused children forever here.
But DOCs is a beast, its dedicated staff are not able to do the job , and less dedicated are unable to be removed.
Application of whitewash to hide faults seems to take more work hours than looking after kids.
This country must do far better,get rid of DOCS and its dead hand .

The problems with DOCS stem from the same malaise that afflicts so much of our bureaucracy, which is that there is no personal accountability for decisions made, provided the right forms have been used. Coupled with that is the fact that many of those people who are attracted to jobs in fields such as child welfare are driven by their own agendas, which may not be compatible with the rights or best interests of others.

Combined with that is the fact that the interests of the Departmental hierarchy are best served by having more staff, so there is a strong incentive to make any problems appear to be both worse than reality and due entirely to a lack of staff and funding. This leads to poorly-informed decision-making, which is never a good thing, even in trivial matters let alone serious abuse.

Then there is the pressure for DOCS and some other agencies to be Thought Police, catching problems before they occur. Even without discussing the civil liberties aspects, that is an impossible task and can only lead to the organisations receiving less cooperation and the frontline staff becoming demoralised.

The only interaction I've had with DOCS in Qld was when my ex's new boyfriend's ex accused her of abuse. I won't go into details other than to say it was both trivial and risible, but I was required, with no details being provided, to attend a meeting with two DOCS workers. The initial phone call was extremely uninformative other than for the advice (threat) that if I didn't attend, DOCS would make a decision and I would no longer be part of the process. I suspect that I would not have been anyway if I had not been a custodial parent.

That complaint used up at least 2 man-hours of work time just in the meeting, let alone the rest of the process and it was so minor that I literally laughed at them when told.

As long as there is no "garbage-filter" applied by the people in DOCS, the waste will go on. Woods was about applying that filter.

Belly you scare me, I keep hearing that this change has to be good considering DoCS have had it wrong for so long.

The last few rapes/abuses of foster children I have seen in the news papers were all children placed with NGO’s. The media always puts “DoCS” to attract attention in its headlines and then you read more and find out how the kids were with some local NGO.

The public doesn’t seem to understand about NGO’s and that once a child is placed with one that their own caseworkers take over and often the DoCS caseworkers do not see the kids again.

I would rather see DoCS supported and improved and made solely responsible for the children they removed.

I cannot see where DoCS employees make any money from children coming in to care, the NGO’s I know pay their caseworkers more, have company cars etc. NGO carers get paid more and in some cases almost double for the same children just removed from DoCS carers.

This country will not do better with NGO’s Belly. These problems you see with whitewash I think comes from DoCS being a government department…. I imagine it reaches even higher levels within a private company and they probably have the ability to hide it better.

Reading OUG’s post I see some amazing amounts of money and I think DoCS have slightly put the brakes on as in some cases funding with NGO’s recently have had a time period of three years and have stated a specific number of children per NGO over that time. From what I have been told there were not set child numbers previously.

not sure if anyone saw sunrise show today[but there was a 'joke' about not being out of the woods[basiclly quotes of many people saying..'were not out of the woods'

naturally as a believer in synconicity i thought of the woods report[a complicated series of recomendations..[with set time lines coded into it]

<<..R1..In relation to priority,..the term‘immediate’
means that the implementation of the recommendation should be substantially commenced within six months,..‘short term’means that implementation of the recommendation should be substantially commenced within 12 to 18 months and‘long term'means that the implementation of the recommendation should be substantially commenced within two to three years>>

further worry<<..iii..33 per cent received some attention which fell short of a face to face visit>>
<<iv..only 13 per cent of reports resulted in a home visit from a DoCS
caseworker,as part of a secondary assessment process

<<..e...Too many reports are being made to DoCS which do not warrant the exercise of its considerable statutory powers...As a result,much effort and cost is expended in managing these reports,..as a result of which the children and young people the subject of them receive little in the way of subsequent assistance..

<<..,f...Those who are required to report when they reasonably suspect a child or young person to be at risk of harm,..known as mandatory reporters,..receive insufficient information from DoCS about its response to their reports...As a result,they keep reporting,..often to little effect and it is less likely that they
will work in partnership with DoCS to assist the child

<<..frequently reported families..for DoCS are estimated to
number between 2,500 and 7,500 families...>>surely more than an..'esitimate'..is required

interesting changes..[3 only]..in Chapter 3 DoCS Workforce Capacity

<<Recommendation 3.1..[From 1 July 2009]
From 1 July 2009 all appointed Managers Casework should be required
to possess a relevant tertiary qualification,..in addition to experience in child protection work.>>how to get experience[via ngo's?

<<Recommendation 3.2
A review should be undertaken to identify tasks that could be
appropriately delegated by caseworkers.
Recommendation 3.3
A review of financial delegations should be undertaken.>>

“anyhow it smells like political payback[to me]..as well as separating the new rules..[exempting ngo's from them..[who knows]”

So NGO’s get handed and funded for these services but cannot be investigated as employees? Would this mean if a child was hurt or neglected in care that DoCS can’t go investigate the NGO the child is placed with?

Would this even be legal? Wouldn’t it conflict with the Care and Protection Act here?

This is not a government phone company being privatised; these are our nation’s children being handed over for profit.

Oh yeah, they are “not for profit” companies I think so I guess they don’t do things like increase contributions to super schemes, performance bonuses, allowances for car/clothing/travel. But this status means besides being funded by DoCS they get grants from lotteries etc? They probably have different tax rules?

I think we need to run screaming from the Woods and take the children with us.

Anti:”As long as there is no "garbage-filter" applied by the people in DOCS, the waste will go on. Woods was about applying that filter.”

DoCS used up over two hours in my house the other day and five different members of staff so I guess the tax payers paid for 10 hours plus travel. I paid for drinks of water! Oh and an hour with two NGO staff members.

But I don’t see a filter being applied and see it is being taken away and DoCS thrown straight in.

Instead of DoCS we will have a fragmented industry with duplication of management and administration each following their own culture, agenda and process. I see a protectionist attitude where collaboration and co-operation will be non-existent. But they will probably have some lovely conferences on island resorts somewhere now and again so they can chat about how fragmented they are.

What I cannot see is where the children have any chance of being a priority. Where do the little Aussies catch a break in all of this?

I'd support disbanding DOCS and starting from scratch with new staff and structures.
I've only had two interactions with them, years ago, and both were disgusting. In the first, when I asked them about help trying to get maintenance from my wealthy ex-wife, they threatened to remove my kids if I pushed it.
In the second, my kids were staying with my mother while I took a week off, during the school term. My then 4yr old daughter ran into the edge of a table and bumped her forehead, in front of several people by the way. But when asked about her injury at school she promptly informed the teacher that Gramm'ar had kicked her! God only knows why! But Docs and the police were summoned, and my mother was visited and harassed. Even though all the witnesses came immediately and explained, she was threatened with prosecution.
Still further, even though the kids returned to me 3 days later, Docs kept visiting my mother at random and demanding to know where MY kids were! It took a series of letters from a solicitor to make them stop.
I know they do a good job sometimes, and face incredible problems, but the Femnazi's have taken over, and have their own agendas. Like most "ists", they can happily ignore anything that doesn't fit that agenda, and the children suffer.

you have to understand how govts work..[you set up a scape goat to take the flack..[the docs brand is contaminated so we have an enquiry[to clean it up..[making obvious rules..[such as experience etc]...but also slip in new depts..[or new minester..new names..[or in this case ngo's]...who go on with business..as usual

see how training allowences and perks[allowing newbies to be trained]by the ngo's who then go to docs with 'experience'...

all that complained about re docs..from 1 july..only goes to the ngo's...and complains stop building up..[a new file needs to gain weight...then the next revieuw recomending..a new govt dept..[and go back to go...a new file is opened

you could go back in time [before docs..[itself was formed]..when other reports said that previous dept didnt work...lol..[etc etc back down the line..[each..'new start'..allows the same to go on...

but the baggage that has built up..gets reshuffled into a dead file[contracts expire,.people stop what they are doing..and do the 'new' stuff,.the files get..[shedded]..as services get muddled up by the transphere of powers...

i told you this was a messy area[allways has been allways will be]...docs clearly allowed the old complaints to disappear[now the ngo's allow futher confusion..its sort of like seperation of powers..[i thought you were doing it..[but i thought you did...till the next reshuffle..shuffles the cards for the next play/distraction from buisness as usual..[all the evidences disapear in the reshuffle]

the ongoing interplay of powers..not being held to account..for an ongoing ability of some to steal kids..via confusion deliberatly [conspirationally wrought..[by those wanting to steal kids,by formalised powers

to meet the demand of those called..'child lovers'..[thats what pedophile actually means],..pedo-philes are experts at shuffling files...ever planning the next confusion...change...that allows more of the same.[but under a different name]..dept/authority or heading

[havnt you wondered why there is allways some new docs/worker..kid visiting..[the old ones are either in on the game...or moved on in the ongoing reshuffle's]

Dear Jewely,

According to many of the websites that I
scrawled on this subject - they unanimously
seem to agree that:

"The Department of Community Services has been
swamped. Children about whom it has been
notified have died. Thousands of families in
need of help, if not urgent attention, have
slipped through the net, even when cases have been
followed up by the DOCS."

"Short-comings for out-of-home care as run by DOCS have
been apparent for more than a decade."

In addition, the point made was that:

"Significant numbers in foster-care and residential
care are already outsourced, including children
and young people with the most complex needs.
Evidence given to Justice Wood by the 'Children's
Guardian,' the Government Agency set up to monitor
standards for out-of-home services showed very
clearly that on all quality standards the
non-government sector totally outperformed the
DOCS foster-care services."

And finally:

"Many non-government services have reached
full-accreditation
but not DOCS - which is currently involved in
"quality improvement," and aims to achieve full
accreditation by 2012."

As the websites pointed out, "This is not good enough
for...foster children. Fully accredited agencies
provide quality foster care and are flexible
responsive organisations."

It appears that DOCS is not one of them.

Hey Max, that did sound typical of many stories I have heard through people dealing with DoCS. I would run out of words just with situations over the last few months of what I have witnessed happen to children I know of in this system. I don’t think any of the situations (some ongoing and others still being newly created) I could point at DoCS caseworkers and blame any of them.

Management within DoCS and NGO’s would however be at the other end of many accusations that come to mind.

I wonder how the question was put to your girl? It is usually how a question is phrased that will deliver any answer the adult already has in their thoughts. Problem is kids even start believing what they felt required to answer.

Your poor mum, no matter how innocent you know yourself to be having an allegation out there leaves a bad taste.

Yes DoCS needs a lot of fixing, and again OUG seems to have it right. Woods has effectively muddied the waters enough that the public believes something is being fixed.

At this point I have never felt so disappointed by my own gender and their complete disregard of children.

Oh crap: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,,25595677-1242,00.html

Foxy, DoCS needs to be improved. But I do believe the State Government must remain in full control of the states children. NGO’s being accredited compared to DoCS is apples and oranges with a very different service range. NGO caseworkers don’t receive calls, investigate, remove, go through court etc. DoCS exist to enforce Care and Protection and they become the children’s legal guardian.

Right now we have children with NGO services who have no contact with their DoCS caseworkers. So if anything goes wrong with an NGO carer DoCS get the blame ultimately.

NGO’s don’t have the huge numbers and long history that DoCS have, stats are usually interpreted to support whichever agenda an author is advocating.

I don’t think you will find a site that supports DoCS but there are many NGO sites raving about the Woods report, what a surprise.

Dear Jewely,

Yes, you're right there are no websites that
support the Department of Community Services,
apart from their own, of course.

And that should come as no surprise. Afterall,
The Wood inquiry was called in response to
community outrage over the deaths of two
children in NSW. Dean Shillingsworth, a two-year
old boy was found folded into a suitcase, floating
in a lake in Sydney's southwest, then 7 year old
girl, Shellay Ward was starved to death in her home
in Hawks Nest, north of Sydney. She weighed just
9kg - 12kg less than an average girl her age.

DOCS had been aware of problems with the Wards.
Complaints led DOCS taking the youngest of the
four Ward daughters into foster care, but they left
the other three children with their parents.

Shellay had never been to school, and her older 13 and
15 year old sisters hadn't attended since 2005.

DOCS staff complain of being suffocated under huge
caseloads, and piles of paperwork generated by
mandatory reporting requirements.

It sounds like the report by Judge J. Wood QC, is quite
fair. The Wood report says the non-government sector has
"smaller and less formalised management structures,
and has a greater capacity to implement reforms and
innovative services more quickly than government
agencies."

They certainly could not do a worse job
than the NSW Department of Community Services.

It gives one example of overloading of government
workers, saying the private agency Barnardos provides
services to 214 children, compared with DOCS in
Cambelltown, "which alone was reponsible for 615
children."

The report also says that the number of children in
out of home care is expected to rise to 19,495 by 2012.

In contrast, numbers are falling in Victoria and
Queensland, both of which have overhauled their welfare
systems to give more responsibility to the private
sector.

Perhaps, that's where the answer lies.
A combination of both government and private sectors -
because overloaded government caseworkers are obviously
not able to do the job, and haven't been able to do
it for years, and that's to the
detriment of all concerned.

Foxy do you want less formalised management in charge of children?

You Foxy are clever, go past the cases DoCS have got wrong and children they should have bought in to care and haven’t.

Focus on the kids already removed and in foster care and the recommendation of Justice Woods that these children become part of private organisations. DoCS staff do not benefit from children in care. The people running and employed be NGO’s will.

Consider what it means for private companies, never ending supplies of children aka funding. A Long Term child will have a projected income up to 18 years old.

NGO’s also have no squeaky clean record when it comes to foster children and the types of carers on their books. If you read more stories about children being abused in care you will see that although the word “DoCS” is in the headlines the children were placed and forgotten by the NGO’s also.

Reality is the NGO’s agree to take a kid, place them with their carers who they pay more because they charge DoCS more per child.

If greater numbers of children/work are expected then you don’t dismantle what is in place and move children sideways in to private industry at huge tax payer expense, you fix what you have.

Trust me Foxy, from little children I have seen NGO’s take; they showed none of the compassion of the DoCS caseworkers. Same as DoCS, some nice, some not. The kids left to this game of chance.

Numbers aren’t falling, the stats were moved. Taxpayer pays more for the same service but the children are not supported or contacted by their legal guardians.

The caseworkers working for NGO’s (for much greater salaries that they charge DoCS for) should be working for DoCS.

Woods recommend changed mandatory reporting requirements so you wont hear about so many of the abused children now. Phew aye.

“They certainly could not do a worse job than the NSW Department of Community Services.”

Yeah they can and already do, I have witnessed it. Which particular NGO are you talking about?

My story [in another thread] about DOCs is true.
I have a worse one, its in my post history and every word true.
And I will never understand why, but my job brings me into contact with many victims of DOC,s
Mothers, fathers, and children.
I had no choice but not to put every thing into print in my story about a father raping his child.
But that man flogged his children, in drunken rage every weekend, he had help, his wife told the kids what happens at home stays at home.
She did leave after the rape, one year after.
A whole community begged DOC,s to act.
Back to the post history thing.
IF ONE WORD is untrue, just one,I am worthless.
Years ago , my niece in my custody and mums,went bad seemingly over night.
Age 12 one day in Sunday school next in makeup and out till 2am.
We said she must not mix with older kids, not have makeup and got some councelling for her and us.
This child went to DOC,s took advice from her friends and asked to be removed from our home.
She was, she moved into a private home, living with the nephew of a DOC,s worker.
Had a sexual affair with this much older youth.
In time the Man no longer worked for DOC,s she came back home, but 25 years have past, she never recovered from her bad start in life.
Have no doubt ten thousand story,s about the wast red tape and neglect the killed DOC,s can be found.
And remember my story is true, not helped along to help my views just a dreadful true story.
22 years in a government department tells me some great workers, none could be better, are useless when most are there only for the money.
In DOC,s as much time is spent harming the innocent as helping those in need and even more wasted in doing nothing.

there's..a lot of stuff..people can say..to muddy..the waters..[jewel]..[but search out..about..facts you know]

see how kevins/wife cleaned up 47 million..[when john howrad privatised un-em-ploy-ment..'services'..[see the expanse of private prisons...see how old people..[nursing homes]..is a nice privatised lurk..[80,000 a year for housing..[one]..old people]

there are people out there..willing to lobby for govt-services to go private..[for the assured govt payments]...this privatisation provides for profit from govt businness...tax payer money is guarenteed..[as your realising]...many will come up..with horror stories about docs...[but unions have sold us out before]

for some there is nothing..we can do to prevent people..making money from taking govt services and privatising them..[for private gain..[i dont know the truth of peoples stories..[but i do know this privatisation is a nice cash cow...

the proof off that is plain to see..how come govt allows private schools/hospital;s/prisons..[and still gives them govt cash]

govt/we..used to own..the loading docks/..used to own airports/..used to own roads/..used to own prisons...now private buisness/owns them[but the real cash-cow is getting govt money..to do the same job]..without the govt oversights...its basic corperate welfares...

just ask mrs;rudd..how proffitable it is to find jobs..govt used to find for free..[or check out..how much private/prisons/shares are on the stock market..[prisoners working for slave-wage and a prison-bed are great for the bottum line..[just ask china

your beginning to think..[dont be fooled...some will say anything to make their private gain sound a great idea...see how the recomendaTIONS..mainly lead to yet another privatisation..[its guarenteed income for up to 16 years

[and if you stuff them arround..maybe for life..as they become fully disfunctional,..or breed more disfunctionally/istitutionised/children[noting their parents all ready are in the system..[so too their kids..and when disfunction..becomes private income..[who trusts big buisness..not to reap the last penny govt has to pay...

its like putting a bounty on kids..one kid equals 16 years of income..just like ware-housing one old person means $80,000 per year..to the private old people housing./industry..[nursing home]..businness

kids are worth fighting over..[let other's fight over money]
your doing it for love..[but realise the only reason many others are doing it..is for the cash]...3 full-time kids =[plus 1000?]..better than baby sitting for pennies right

Dear Jewely,

According to the website of the NZherald.co.nz
under the subject heading of 'Foster Care.' :

"At the NSW Department of Community Services, commonly
known as DOCS, scandal and controversy have long
weighed as heavily as its case workers' ever-increasing
workload."

In NSW one in seven families - and one in 15 kids - are
reported to DOCS.

Research suggests a child is abused every 15 minutes.
It doesn't do much good however, no matter how 'caring,'
the case workers may be - if nothing is done about things!

In 2003 former Premier Bob Carr effectively acknowledged the
organisation was in crisis when he committed an extra 1000
frontline staff and over A$1 billion to fix the system.

But this years' annual report by the NSW Ombudsman Bruce
Barbour confirmed DOCS was still plagued by major and
persistent failings.

The argument that DOCS "appears to be the cheaper provider,"
of welfare services... "is misleading as it does not adequately
reflect the number of unallocated cases and the poorer
quality of casework which inevitably occurs when a caseworker
is faced with a greater number of children and young persons,"
says the Wood report.

Jewely, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on
this issue.

Foxy you are pointing out DoCS failings which no one has ever denied. I don’t think we can agree to disagree when we are having two separate discussions.

Whoever pays their foster parents more becomes mute. Who is monitoring the foster parents is quite the opposite and no one is questioning why there is a belief that privatizing something means an improvement in the minds of the public.

Further add that to the fact that these NGO’s will and already do play a major role in Early Intervention. This is a huge conflict of interest.

What is going to happen and has been happening is children being forgotten after being placed one more step away from the department that is supposed to be responsible for the children it bought in to care to begin with.

The NGO caregivers with children in their homes that never need communicate with DoCS caseworkers – the ones that do have ultimate responsibility for these children.

So we have a department failing and the suggested “fix” that has nothing to do with caring for and protecting the children in short and long term care. The Recommendation will, I believe, I know, I have seen, damage children more while allowing the tax payer to contribute much more for the privilege.

It does matter that the caseworkers care and are allowed to continue to manage their own clients once they have been brought in to care. You are grabbing quotes (from Kiwis?) about child abuse in NSW while I am concerned for the changes recommended after a child enters this system in either a short term or long term placement.

Why does it really matter that they care? Because this is not a “product” we are discussing or “stats” these are real little flesh and blood children who will be lost through privatisation and making it possible for huge profits to be made from them.

Bruce Barbour – do you know what he does with complaints against DoCS? A caseworker explained briefly to me “unless a child dies complaints are passed back for DoCS to handle internally”.

“kids are worth fighting over..[let other's fight over money]
your doing it for love..[but realise the only reason many others are doing it..is for the cash]...3 full-time kids =[plus 1000?]..better than baby sitting for pennies right”

Gotchya (in theory) OUG.

But I can work for an NGO and get paid more, more toys, clothes, life is good while they are here. My neighbor does the same but life is not good. DoCS never come to investigate because that is the responsibility of my neighbours particular NGO.

They wont go look too hard because besides the money they pass on to their foster parents there is all the money DoCS give them per child for their offices, mobile phones, company cars, super schemes etc etc.

I can’t just love the ones I have when I can’t make people see what is happening/will happen to the other foster children in the system.

I am terrified for them.

Hey Belly,

I know, been in a few situations myself with DoCS and it is all heart breaking and something needed to happen.

Lots of stories where kids went from bad to worse with DoCS intervention, or lack thereof.

I think though that the public in general have this kind of mental image of what privatising things means. I think they start visualizing big bright and shiney office blocks and super efficient staff zipping about in hugo boss suits.

And yes I think this will happen… but I think I also know where the kids will be and that will be so far behind the scenes that you’ll need hubble to find them.

its interesting..that the cash is now found..to fund from the ground up private facilities..ngo's..[what seems curious is that docs is still retained...lol..[talk about duplication..[but its worth remembering these new ngo's wont have any of the oppresive paperwork/reporting..docs has...

no wonder its the cure..[the recomendation could just as easilly have stated less paper work/reporting..[..and more cash[wages]..about what the private ngo's are going to do..

ie be less accountable..on the theory private gets more pivate trust to just get on with the job..yet as private contracors..they get more public money

properly funding docs...[and lightening up on the constant need to report..might have seen docs properly do its job...[but that wasnt ever the plan..[the plan was to get the kids into their privatised franchise..[and reap in the govt cash/contract to the boys club..that ensured docs would fail]

alex jones had a bit to say about the kids thing..on his sunday show[suprise suprise..those who abduct kids from their parents are actually paid more for scoring a blue eyed kid's..[for the pedophiles running usa child-SERVICEs]..than the hispanics]

he mentioned that the deliberate policy..we see that sees single parents,..naturally sets people up to fail...[alex nearly had his child taken..[how it gets done is the docs equivelent asks the parent[wife]..is hubby beats her..[or if there is any trouble at home..[while the hubby is sent from the room to file some birth/papers...

so i guess they ask kids pretty much the same leading questions..its a growth industry..[i heard the complaints foxey spoke of alex made a point that..every time he reads mother injured the kids in the papers[nearly allways..it turns out to be a fostermum...foster father..[ie not biological caregiver..in the fine print of the story]

anyhow the love of children..[pediphilia goes back throughout time[they have just gotten more organised..at getting at kids these perverts need to abuse...

clearly they set up docs to fail..[but have enough pull to pull off the next part of the scam...and thus their boys running the ngo's

why no equal reporting conditions on these ngo's..[think about that]

why more money for less reporting/accountability...for the same job?

Jewely please do not think we, most of us, do not share your concerns.
We do, I do, that is why I am opposed to DOC,s. forever.
No easy thing, to in any way be opposed to a system run by government, that sees privatisation as answer.
But we must have answers.
Nothing less will do.
I can caste some light into government departments, well lets be open my old workplace.
The NSW RTA is a mixture of the very best people, have no doubt this is true.
And the very worst.
It the only place I ever saw the best man taken from his job, as a reward, and put in a position he was useless in.
While being replaced in his old job by the very worst performer in the world.
Fathers hand on jobs like formen to sons.
selection more based on who is related to who ,not talent.
My views are tainted, I have seen senior ,very senior staff take redundancys.
Fail in private enterprise, then, after taking the money come back on contract thank you to home, the RTA, A safe haven for managment failure.
Safe in the understanding failed leadership always blames the workers.
We need a new way, a better way to reduce the red tape, get rid of dead end white washing mangement.
We have failed for over 100 years in child care, never ever will I agree to breath life into DOC,s

A Rose is a Rose Belly. Privatising this industry will not work; we can Only have a government department doing this job. It cannot be any industry that can profit from it.

Right now and with what I personally/locally am experiencing through DoCS management, I would happily see it dismantled. From what I have read online from some mums and dads out there I would probably like every state to follow suit.

But this investigating and going to court to have children removed etc will not be leaving DoCS hands as far as I could make out in the recommendations. So DoCS is still there Belly.

My concern is after the children are placed.

Right now through DoCS carers and NGO carers children get abused. We cannot have a Privatised Foster Care System and then the same private companies running Early Intervention. Cultures build up, things become "expected" within companies.

What I didn’t see in the Woods Report was any acknowledgment of how children are placed. Just anyone with their hands up can have kids placed with them for up to 18 years. No one asks what family might suit them or what sort of children they are. Something else I have experienced.

But they do pay for big studies to be done on why placements breakdown and why children get moved multiple times while not doing well at school and in society. I’d suggest it is because no one cared enough to ask a few questions from the people that knew them beforehand.

I can see this getting worse with multiple files being kept by multiple agencies by multiple caseworkers, more children buried and forgotten under even more paper work.

“clearly they set up docs to fail..[but have enough pull to pull off the next part of the scam...and thus their boys running the ngo's”

OUG, why aren’t the media and public seeing all this? I thought since it concerned children people would have taken notice of it and if I can see how damaging it is and where children will suffer I really did expect most people to grasp something so obvious.

Society might be judged on how we treat our dead, our elderly, our animals etc etc. But in reality the only thing we can judge a society on his how the children are/were treated. What we do now will provide the “how” the children will treat everyone and everything in return.

Why has not a single reporter written about what this would mean, every one of them is first reporting abuse while in care (and half of them are with NGO’s) then saying this Woods Report is the answer.

I guess they have their own little ones tucked up safely in their beds while they write and it is much easier to talk about the devil you know.

And the bit you quoted about DoCS caseworkers under temporary contracts was a worry. In NZ the little kids I had used to have their caseworkers popping in to visit and have a quick play, see how they’re doing.

Caseworkers don’t do that here but at least some I regularly kept them updated on their clients through e-mail etc. With temp contracts there will be even higher changeover of staff and again the kids have no one that really knows them/believes them/helps them.

you may be one of the few..that/read the report..in full..[i like most had to scan it..[reporters..[or rather]..the few reporters left..get told what to write about,..getting paid..to fill a few colum inches..at best..[hardly the place..[or room]..to post investagative piece's..that analyses/both the problem..[let alone the solution]

at best..they like the police-reports..[where they cut and paste it down to an eye-catching headline]...for them..to..try to expose things..their lawyers step in..and say..;.'we'..COULD get sued...thus this issue is allowed to fester

you may have heard..about a recent case..where internationally a cyber child-porn/ring..was busted..[near 1000 australians were named...but the police/sat on the info...in the end word got out/and hurredly they busted from memory about 40

you see..the names of the people..needed to get veted via chanels..[like..some criminals..have done deals/witness protection etc..[plus others are so high up..[running the courts,govt,schools..[and docs as well as ngo's,..they need the slow/system..to be made even more slower

you cant concieve..how blatent these child/lovers..[pediphiles].,are...govt-cars/deliver the children to govt members/judges and seniour public servants...you may..[or may not]..be supprised..how having the dirt..on certain people..keeps them in the party-line]

this child issue goes globally...is trans-generational..i have talked to third generation children..now mothers..[where grandmother let her children be abused,..then the mother let it happen..[and the kids..[now as adults are terrified..often homeless living on the streets..[or in nut houses because they couldnt stop it happen..to their kids]

much of the feigned power..of a certain religion comes from their ability to conduct pediastry upon the young..[as autherised in the un holy talmud]

http://www.biblestudysite.com/factsarefacts.htm
quotations;from the Soncino Edition of the Talmud,(Book)

YEBAMOTH,60b...Rabbi.Ramanos who conducted an inquiry..and..'found'..in it..the daughter of a..'proselyte'..who was under the age of three years and one day...,and Rabbi declared her eligible to live with a priest."

(footnotes)"..A proselyte..under the age of three years and one day may be married by a priest...And was married..to a priest.

(i.e.,permitted to continue to live with her'husband'."]

(Book)

SANHEDRIN,..55b-55a:.."What is meant by this?...Rab said:..Pederasty with a child below nine years of age..is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that.

(footnotes)"..The reference is to..the passive..'subject'/victim..of sodomy

this is how the goverment of new south wales feels about its victims it does not want to give victims justice in the courts and continue to cover up our past when we were children i will write another post after this one the wood commission hasn't acted on anything as the abuse still continues to this day wood didn't recomend doing this did he read below from huffnpuff

NSW Government to fund third Underbelly seriesArticle from: AAPFont size: Decrease Increase Email article: Email Print article: Print June 03, 2009 11:40am

THE New South Wales Government is funding a third instalment of the popular television series Underbelly, which will highlight the activities of crooked cops and pedophiles in the 1990s.

The 13 one-hour episodes, expected to go to air in 2010, will be based on events exposed by the Wood Royal Commission, Premier Nathan Rees has announced.

The Wood Royal Commission was established in May 1994 to investigate the wrongdoing of more than 30 officers in the NSW police force. The scope of the inquiry was later expanded to include police protection of pedophiles including Sydney businessman Phillip Harold Bell.

Facing more than 100 charges related to pedophilia in 1997, Bell, who then owned several luxurious properties in NSW and Switzerland, allegedly paid a police officer $5000 to make conviction records "disappear".

Filming of the third Underbelly series will begin in August.

"It will create 170 jobs in production and post-production, helping contribute to NSW's creative industries sector," Mr Rees said.

The most recently screened series, Underbelly: A Tale of Two Cities, was filmed in Sydney and Melbourne. Billed as the highest rating drama program in the history of Australian television, it premiered in February to 2.5 million viewers.

The first series of Underbelly was based on Melbourne's gangland wars, which raged from 1995 to 2004

i just posted the article that was published in the daily telegraph dated 3/06/2009

i find this a disgrace how the state of new south wales is funding this im a victim that was raped at daruk boys home windor n.s.w in 1977 and 1978 now the john morroney correctionial centre windsor n.s.w.

im a victim the goverment and the courts of n.s.w. are covering up about as of many other victims from other institutions in australia

we were raped and abused in these state run institutions orphanages and foster homes

the crown lawyers addmitted in my court case of appeal november 2008 that thier departments d.o.c.s. either destroyed lost or missplaced documents such as excursion record log books, isolation cell record log books. misconduct record log books

why would they destroy the evidence of us victims because we are telling the truth as this has stopped the victim me receiving justice from the courts and the state of n.s.w.

we are victims the goverment still cover up about till this day

i can not beleave how three judges could not find in favour of the victim me even when the crown lawyer stated these documents were destroyed , of which proved the victims case if the goverment d.oc.s. had nothing to hide why destroy all the proof and evidence proving the victims case

the coruption is not only within d.o.c.s. its within the n.s.w. courts as well,as my case proves i was raped and abused

so how can we victims get justice when D.O.C.S have addmitted to destroying the truth of these records , of which the crown for n.s.w. D.O.C.S stands in front of judges and say the records can not be found , yet the victims affidavitt proves he was in this boys home yet D.OC.S. OR JUVENILLE JUSTICE destroyed these log books proving the truth of the victim

the wood commission has done nothing to help past victims nor present victims take note of the 3 recent cases in the daily telegraph today , were is our justice

from micheal brown huffnpuff

back later with mor

Huffnpuff, has there been any acknowledgment from anywhere that you were a victim?

I don’t know what to say, it is still happening and it looks as though we are going to go back in time to where you were. By privatizing the majority of foster care it will hide the children behind multiple closed doors like they did with the different institutions they put kids in when you were younger.

I think OUG is pointing out more truths I really didn’t want to face.

There was a strong belief in me that Australia would not do this, I thought the report would be ignored by government with how flawed it is or the media would see the move was an obvious mistake for the children.

But it and has continued to happen and we see the government funding this backwards step so it will continue on in to NSW’s future.

There will be many many more misplaced, destroyed, lost logs and files. Or some required data storage mishaps.

Do I wait 20 years and see a kid online and say "oh yeah I so knew it would end up like this"?

sadly i have met so many,who have been abused by govt systems[as well as abused generally]i found not one smoker in nimbin that had not had that awakening...i think generally it holds true for many now chosing to abuse drugs/booze/pills

there isnt much to say..[except the facts cant really ever be revealed fully..[kids dont know the names of their abusers..[in institutions,and the molestors often use code names]..many only realise names once you see their faces in the news..[and any wonder judges dont allow the press to publish their photo's

there are many abused on the street[in our prisons,in our instutions,noting the penelty most molestors get is at worst a few years[mostly they get cautions[even after lengthy trials

[i went to the local libary one day and found in the refereance section a yellow booklet..[with names of child-molestors...making it so easy to find each other

[further in prison they get segergated from the other criminals..[and develop networks with each other if not before they went in then for when they get out..[they share tips and children]

i know how hard it is for kids to tell their parents..[and often when they do tell, the parents go straight into denial..[acuse the kids of lying or making mischief]...

the court process is deliberatly made more complicated by the lawyers that further abuse the kids..[its usually the same expert lawyers/barrestors that get the criminals off...often its simply a mater of knowing the right judge,i have heard so many stories about a nsw carr premiour,downers,and beatyups..to know the rot goes to the highest levels,but such is life...

one in four kids gets molestored and as the media reports its usually someone known to the child..[one day police will have an operation call in just for child molestation..[or declare a war on child abusers[but hey dont be holding your breath..

[..besides reporting is one thing..protecting your kids another thing all together...and procicuting them a different thing yet again..[thats just for the actual perpi-traitors..[let alone the pimps prosituting out kids...or those facilitating the abuses..[even if just by remaining silent

its a global issue..from
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=franklin+childsex+scandle&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Consiracy of Silence/video,..Child sex/ring..that reached Bush Sr's Whitehouse. .... of Boys Town/children and personalities in the Franklin Scandal,..The Franklin Coverup Scandal

The story..involves children from orphanages being flown around the United-States..by top Republican officials..in order to engage in child sex orgies..with America's ruling elite.

It is a fact..that during the 1980's,..child sexual services were provided by top Republican officials..to key,bureaucrats and diplomats..but most importantly,..there is a chilling proximity of all of these events and personalities,..to the President of the United States..at the time,george H.W. Bush...And there have been victims who claim that the President himself engaged in the activities...

It is a tale of child sex,..murder,espionage,blackmail,and huge payoffs...And all the players are involved.. From the White House to the CIA..to the media barrons..to the Republican elite .right down to the orphanages..[boystown is mentioned]..where they procured their victims.

Perhaps the most chilling aspect..of this horrific tale..is that such realities..can be so completely obliterated by the powers that be so that,..even though these are simply the very biggest most explosive stories of our time..you will never know that they happened.

That is why www.voxfux.com exists...To bring you the hard cold truth about what is really happening to our world...To inform you about who these people really are who rule America.

lots of other links here
http://www.freewebs.com/childsexring/
http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=22050

there is a vidio at this link
http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/boystown/
A True Story About Sex,..Child Abuse,Murder and Drugs,..Covered up By Authorities

“Conspiracy of Silence”,..listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine..was to be aired..on the Discovery Channel,on May 3,1994....but wasnt

This documentary..exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

Many children..suffered the indignity of wearing nothing but their underwear and a number displayed on a piece of cardboard hanging from their necks when being auctioned off to foreigners in Las Vegas,Nevada and Toronto,Canada.

At the last minute..before airing,..unknown congressmen threatened the TV Cable industry..with restrictive legislation if this documentary was aired.. Almost immediately,the rights to the documentary were purchased..by unknown persons who then ordered all copies destroyed.

Okay, I think most people know somewhere this stuff is happening and it is real. We try and not think about it too often. Or we just understand how far we will get if we try. The understanding alone is exhausting.

But surely a Judge of all people is more than aware of what makes these things possible. How defenseless children are without taking them further away from the very department that should defend them.

Instead of improving DoCS and acknowledging how management within its structure care so little for their small clients, (or have no time to, or never did, or wanted to but decided it was all too difficult to care and do the paperwork) this Report and its Recommendations places them where harm can be done with next to no chance of it being picked up by someone that cares.

DoCS caregivers are made helpless enough and we are in direct contact with the caseworkers who removed the children from their families and have a chance of being heard. Now NGO caregivers (assuming they give care) are a further step away from being heard.

I convinced someone today, or made them aware, she is a foster mum down in S.A. who could see the problem and was disgusted. That makes me, three other carers I know (none with NGO’s), my small family and you OUG.

Might go chat about the Indians or support a new political party or I might go hassle some NRL player. I may even go kill all my pets in solidarity with KMB. I still have to go read more about the Murray-Darling Basin while trying to not think of the thousands of little children within its boundaries being hurt in so many different ways behind so many very big closed doors all while not learning any manners at all.

thats why i believe in karma..[this helplessness can drive people nuts,..so i go along with the saying..to whom much is given..[much being expected..[it also has its inverse trueism]..who take much will have much they thought they had taken from them...as to who gets or is given i leave that for others to explain..[to their god]

i was going to reveal more but i allready think to know too much..[they have mindcontrol teqniques..[where key words induce pre programed behaviours,..enabeling the very innocent to become extreemly dangerous/passive or as they been 'programed'..then even forget the whole event..in total innocence/ignorance..,often medication is used..[so im anti any drugs for kids]

there isnt much more to be gained..[as you realise]..other than noting..we have attempted to expose the real issues..[avoided by the quoted report,

i get sick to my stomach when i see polititions with kids..[or kissing babies,..as these children are often awakend at or soon after birth..but again knowing the details isnt going to help them

anyhow i know the abuses of power are indemic with the issue..[thus have a total disrespect for any idiot in power..[thinking if they only knew,...because not knowing..ie..[serving big business/govt/party adgenda in blind ignorance]..is even more criminal,..than those serving the elites via blackmail...how stupid are the cops and judges..claiming they didnt even know...yet still busting kids for smoking a joint

Jewely
"the thousands of little children within its boundaries being hurt in so many different ways behind so many very big closed doors all while not learning any manners at all"
Tell me Jewely what do you want from me to do about the children? Do you think I can do something usefull for the children? What? How?
Have you got any suggestions how we can support them?
If you think that a committee, an association can be usefull then you have your first member! Do you want a website? I can help you to create a website
SURE CHILDREN HAVE THE TOP PRIORITY BUT I DO NOT KNOW MANY THINGS ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS.
If you want my sign, you have it. I want from you to think how we can help the children, what we can do to help the children, find practical ways to help the children.
I can not suggest any solusion because I ignore the problem, but I can do what you want from me to do about the children.
I know you are a sensitive, mature parson with golden heart.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Convention on the Rights of the Child
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm

AUSTRALIAN FOSTER CARE ASSOCIATION (AFCA)
http://www.fostercare.org.au/

The Future of Children
Children, Families, and Foster Care
http://www.futureofchildren.org/information2826/information_show.htm?doc_id=209547

As a young person in foster care, you have the right:*
http://www.fosterclub.com/article/your-rights-foster-care

My Rights as a Child in Foster Care
http://ssw.unc.edu/fcrp/fp/fp_vol4no2/my_rights_as_a_child.htm

Your Rights in Foster Care
http://www.saveourchildrencoalition.org/advocacy/your-rights-foster-care.html

ASymeonakis,..[i have been thinking on the issue for a long time[all kids should be monitored[in real time]they should be ideally wearing a tracking device[that records every word spoken to them[ideally that photographes every person that goes near them

a protective divice that broadcasts all the info about them to several agencies[none of who know who the others are..a device that monitors their very heart beat..[so any stesss on them sends off alarm bells instantly]

we have home detention prisoners wearing an anklet..[but cant concieve a way to protect kids allready hurt[an absurdity]..anyone dealing with kids needs the same devices[we would soon sort out the wroing sort of people to make sure they can go nowhere near kids

places where kids are kept are monitored live time via web cams...the absurdity that kids cant be protected is an absurdity[we think to save the earth[but cant even protect children...child perverts should be castrated..[no exceptions,..its absurd adults can ruin a kids life and get off with a few years jail at worst

we have dob in a druggie..[but how about dob in someone who molestord you as a child,..dob them in to stop them molestering other kids, its been proven a given molesteror of kids..will rape hundreds in their lifetime,

we need to think of ways to get them the first time...then fix their obsession...and if unbable to fix them..then to fix it..so they simply cant acces kids ever again..[no more mr nice guy...this is either done properly...or its all just talk

one under god,
I know you have very high IQ, you are well educated, sensitive, mature and progresive person!
You have your own writing style, your posts are so much meangfull, you say so many things in little texts, that mainly educated and smart enouph people can understand them, be more simple if you want your messeges to pass to common people.
I am atheist, greek church blocked me from greek universities. I want to believe that your god is not so hyngry FOR POWER AND MONEY as most other gods!
one under god,
As individuals we are weak, the mass media ignore us, the political parties, the authorities ignore us. I SUGGEST TO YOU AND ANY OTHER OPENED MIND PERSON TO CREATE AN ORGANIZATION, AN ASSOCIATION AND PROMOTE BETTER OUR IDEAS, OUR GOALS. We can give a neutral name to this organization and open the doors to any opened mind person. We do not have to have same interests or same ideas about the same issue, We have to respect all opinions and promote them equally, with only reference IF, majority- minority, (6 votes, 4 votes).
IT IS VERY DIFFERENT IF WE SPEAK AS AN ORGANIZATION! THEY WILL LISTEN TO US!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

one under god
If these devices control from kids, if the kids can turn off or on when they want I say YES,
IF THESE DEVICES ARE CONTROLED FROM CHILDREN'S MINDS then I agree but I am AGAINST any device which violate childre's private life.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

i know enough/about power..to know..i dont want any of it,..people really dont want to be helped,..a thing/jesus soon realised

it seems sad..to me..that one as clever as you..havnt figured it all out..yet...god is real..cause of causes,..everything has its reason/cause

simply speaking..we see the evil],..because this is the realm of freewill that allows evil,..there are other places where there is only love..[good/god]..i will try to explain

this is the realm of lies/deception/war/hate etc...you will find some love in it..[but there is far more hat...this isnt an accident..[see how the bible..[or any holy texts..is only words]...in this place of imperfection,..it is silly..to regard any thing in it..to be perfect

there is but one perfect..[god,..and jesus isnt god],..but by the lies and deceptions..[allowed in this realm]..there are those who can believe he is..[because in this realm/belongs that not perfectly good]

hear/here..this realm belongs to satan..[the embodyment of vile/evil,..those that reject good[god]..become born here..

..see only beasts/can incarnate..into this realm...we each have the chance to reject evil..[but..evil/beast/d-evil]..so loves it vile]..that few see through the illusion..[vile/veil/evil/live]

i wish i could write..more clear..[but that..in this realm..simply isnt possable]..there are those/better qualified..than me..who couldnt explain..[either]..but there are hints and tips..in the so called holy texts..that give us clues

no-one in this realm can be perfect..[but the next/after life allows us to be learning the secrets of the perfection...

for egsample..[simply by forgiving others..we forgive ourselves]..do as you..would have others do..unto you...love god/love neighbour..etc

but we have eternity..[and many lives..to figure it all out],by the basis of karma/we know that others do/did to us[we did to others in a previous incarnation]...the vile stops when we repent..[and realise atonement..[at one meant]...

so/that we conciously chose to reject evil..[and seek to do only that good..[and you and jewel are clearly well on the path to love..[now its as simple as setting others free],

this realm can never be perfect..[because its the realm where we can chose to love vile/evil..or chose to/reject evil..and seek to love the good/of god

[god is god..because god alone is all good..[100 percent]..no one born of woman..can ever be 100 percent good...but we can try

I found the PSA, I realise they weren't hiding but I came upon their objections to parts of the Wood Recommendations.

http://www.psa.labor.net.au/redtape/37/DOCS.html

"The PSA does not agree that there should be a transfer of roles and or funding from DOCS to Non Government Organisations (NGOs)."

http://www.psa.labor.net.au/news/1236122270_11950.html

Obvioulsy I have different reasons for my personal objections to many of the recommendations but imagine people will go in the same direction with different motivations.

I have no idea... but can I join a Union? I have e-mailed and asked them but no response as yet.

OUG, I was going to ask a question... You know my fear is for the children and that there isn't sufficient monitoring of foster children and the homes they are placed in. But if there were people employed by "someone" to monitor/check on the kids regularly... is there specific signs of abuse occurring?

I know caseworkers etc have training to look for certain signs of abuse but caregivers doing this will be better at hiding what they are doing and as it is now - caseworkers ring before visiting.

When this report kicks in to high gear and NGO's do start taking over, what should be put in place to make the children safer?

there are no sure signs[but generally bedwetting and lack of bowel control are indications,many have a look in their eyes,somewhere between fear and a difficulty to focus,.but there are many other signs[and really so many other causes,that effectivly nothing can be sure except the damages done upon innocents forces kids to growup too fast]

one in four lose our innocence..[but there are other compensation's..[a poor word choice]..we became adfept at studying these creatures that somehow need to violate children to feel grownup..[think of how pathetic they are..[so powerless to control their own urges..that they need to seek to victimise kids]

i dont like knowing the stuff i do[but ity wasnt my choice, i wish that kids were allowed their childhood, i cant ever recall being a child[thus am left with only 'grown'up' feelings but seen through a childish filter

[i feel our first sex experience imprints a mental age of us physiologiclly speaking[those adults who cant growup are most likely to have been abused, as children..[wether they recall the specific incident conciously or not..[often the memory gets suppressed[i would say more often than not,

this means faulse memory[imagination]is likely another sign..[walt disney is a good egsample,molestored as a child..then organising the biggest child molestation ring in the world as well as mind programing,..very popular with the elites

anyhow we all were informed of our life in advance[there are teachings in every of life experiences[both good and bad,i expect the main purpose of these posting's is that those stuffed arround by adults,is they arnt alone[and that they need to reveal who did what,.so the matter can be discussed openly[without fear][and preferably not by despoiling the innocence of others]

this quote puts a lot of what i believe..[for good or bad we each have the oppertuinity to reject vile]...life is about realising our at-one-ment

quote<,..do you know what it is to suffer all the pangs of an awakened conscience?

Have you seen that path of bitter tears,..of weary effort,which the soul must climb..if it would return to God?

Do you realize what it means to undo,..step by step,..through years of darkness and suffering and bitter anguish of soul,/the sinful acts and words and thoughts of an earthly lifetime?—for even to the uttermost farthing must the debt be paid;

each must drink to the last dregs the cup that he has filled.

To know that each of these tainted lives—all these beings cursed with evil propensities ere they were born—have become a charge upon your conscience in so far as you have contributed to make them what they are,..clogs which will continue to drag back your soul when it attempts to rise,..until you shall have made due atonement to them,

and helped to raise them from that slough into which your unbridled passions have contributed to sink them?..Do you understand now how and why there may be spirits working still about the earth who died hundreds of years ago?

Can you imagine how a spirit must feel who seeks from the grave to call aloud to others,..and especially to those he has betrayed to their ruin as well as his own,..and finds that all ears are deaf to his words,..all hearts are closed to his cries of anguish and remorse?..

..And is there,then,no need that those who have passed beyond the tomb should return and warn their brethren,..even as Dives sought to return and could not?

Are men on earth so good that they require no voice to echo to them from beyond the gates of death a foreshadowing of the fate awaiting them?

..Far easier were it for man to repent now..while still on earth than to wait..till he goes to that land where he can deal with the things of earth no more,...

from
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/wsltoc.html

I've taken it all in OUG, thinking some stuff through.

As usual I have another question about some other stuff.

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/nswbills.nsf/d2117e6bba4ab3ebca256e68000a0ae2/0c23593002b1acbcca25756e0021e66c/$FILE/children.pdf

This has happened but it makes no sense to me as it is, how or where do I find the whole Act with all the updated stuff on it?

We have the minister and shadow minister both wanting the NGO's to take over though so of course it was going to go ahead.

The fact no one but a union was objecting (to one small part)was probably a good indication. Shame about the kids but they can't vote yet. Now I need a change of tactics.

try http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/caypapa1998442/

i havnt checked for up dates,..but it[link]..should get updated..soon as it becomes law

there are/very few people..who watch govt,its deliberatly made boring,so the boys-club can get on with doing/what they allways done[feel luckey one union even watched]

i dont know about tactics,..change is impossable working alone,the best we can do is let them know we are watching,..there are a few interesting points in the ammendment's,..and usually its only a matter of enforcing the enacted protections..[trouble being no one sits on em..to force them..to do the right-thing..[like the fourcorners report on abc last night,..re the private contractors contracting to transport prisoners]

life is simple..[only govt complicates matters..to serve their adgenda's],your mission clearly is to love and protect kids,..you might be interested..[take heart]..of a few things mentioned at the link
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/gonewest.html

at the bottum of the link is an other site..[that explains about kids in the next realm]..anyhow back to the first link..[from memory at 24[part two]..is the vivisectionists realm,in part one[19?]is some more about kids..who arnt allowed in hell..

those who hurt kids..are very likely to end up there[24 part two]..or worse...the truely evil sink to the lowest hells..[thats the pits where we all went to get reborn..[most evolved from animal spirits into human,..thus their animal nature led them[us]18/2..into that woumb like connection..via the pits...people unable to visualise it may experience it as a human..[if they fail to evolve the true[good/love]nature..in this incarnation...but their freewill allows them the right..to deney their inherant/true nature

people..[who abuse kids]..dont realise the risk to their mortal soul[..wether they believe in life after life or not]..we all get tested on the astral plain...[part3]..unless we clearly..have..revealed good works before accending into the astral..[or done in the astral]the testing realm...before going to h or h

anyhow its knowing that we all get justice in the end..that allows me to not go nuts about the insanity..see in this[satans]-realm..[that we did to the least..we did to god]..sort of like entertaining angels unaware]...

you do love well..[stick with your natural strength..[let god fix the vile]..just be the sanctury of peace,your meant to be

Jewely

I understand your issues with the failure of DoCS. When something is going wrong, the first step is usually to find out where the problem is and fix it. Like, if my car needs a new battery, then I replace the battery rather than buying an entire new car.

My problem with any disfunction of a government department is that it is immediately used to spruik for privatisation. Having worked in Human Services in Victoria for some years, I have seen plenty of wasted resource and burnt out front-line employees. I also saw a need for LESS middle management and MORE case-workers, nurses, psychologists and other affiliated staff in the welfare sector. And, also more administrative staff (as distinct from managerial).

When the idea of multi-tasking was introduced to the public service, the reality was that the clerks and receptionists lost their jobs and the case-workers et al, found they were up to their necks in even more paper-work and other tasks that used to be done by admin staff.

How can a case-worker keep a handle on every child when she or he is loaded under a pile of bureaucracy?

Making human welfare a commodity for the private sector cannot not give the best results for children, the homeless or the elderly. It is a conflict of interests.

I can see diversification of the welfare sector; NGO's for the less crucial care and a complete overall of DoCS. Get rid of those admin-managers who do little more than run performance feedback every month, bring back support staff and provide a direct line of communication between senior and case-workers. A more lateral structure, where a case-worker's report is treated with respect and not simply filed away until it is too late.

Fractelle:"I can see diversification of the welfare sector; NGO's for the less crucial care and a complete overall of DoCS. Get rid of those admin-managers who do little more than run performance feedback every month, bring back support staff and provide a direct line of communication between senior and case-workers. A more lateral structure, where a case-worker's report is treated with respect and not simply filed away until it is too late."

You are brilliant Fractelle and I'd vote you in within a heartbeat. Oh yeah - I had to point out my name change.[smile]

The caseworkers do suffer a lot, and they also get so frustrated when between I and them we know the kids well and managment says "no" to things we see as in their best interests.

It seems pretty hopeless now, the Recommendations have gone through and NGO's will get big and new ones will pop up. The foster parents and the foster children are one step further away.

It is bound to have an adverse affect on the biological parents who are worried about their children. Different companies, different policies and siblings scattered through the system.

I'm struggling to understand the ammendments to the Act but it looks as though Children's Court has lost a few powers. No longer allowed to decide contact arrangments or desputes with biological parents.

I don't have a good understanding as far as the actual workers within the department but I have witnessed and heard from other foster parents how some of the NGO's already conduct themselves with no regard for the children.

DoCS have not done well to date but I really felt this one product (children) was something they should have kept safe with them.

Hey OUG, so when the Act is updated I can read it online? I remember in NZ the caseworkers carried the Act as a book, like a bible. At training over there you learnt about the Act. Nothing here though.

It is ironic, I am here defending DoCS and wanting them supported and the children to stay with them. All the while I am being prevented from caring for more children because of DoCS managment and my complaint. No one did help the kids I complained about being treated badly by DoCS and an NGO, in fact I think I was pretty much ignored so the punishment is confusing to me.

Even more ironic, I may have to sign with an NGO just so I can continue caring for children. Like the children I can only hope that I find myself with a good one.

When a mother is "ordered" to participate in doing something soul destroying to a little one and they obey it is bad enough on this earth, I hate to imagine where I might be heading afterwards.

jewel..[you need have no concern[as the link makes clear,every tiny good we did for others has its own reward..[just by the nappies you have changed..[let alone all the other stuff]..that count as loving/helping others..ensures you will be going straight to the highest places]..[the good news is no nappies in the next realm],but many kids needing love,but for now they need you here..[nothing goes unnoticed]

im not fussed by your name change..[but admit i wanted to change my name a few times]..thought jewel suited you just fine..anyhow god didnt make enough of you..[but thats just my opinion]..on an other note..what we call beauty here on earth..[isnt the same as spiritrual beauty,your soul will no doudt be stunning]..but you will in time realise the real jewel;..you are[im sure many kids all ready know]

if you need to join some ngo just go for it..you will be led to the right one..[on another note i noted the appeal period has been extended[and appeal judges have changed,..a lot of other sneaky stuff]

i agree that all upper managment should be sacked or sued[from docs]too many chiefs not doing anything..[govt appointees...there serving their masters..with black souls[the darkside],but not serving the kids

jewely I feel unsure that I should contribute further here.
The thread has dipped into some dark areas.
But much like you my thoughts are with the kids.
This last week has seen the dead thing known as DOC,s shoot itself in the foot yet again.
My only concern is it must soon be the groin
Yes I can debate the other side of that story, blame the mum, tighten the laws to allow police to act, give kids to more good dads rather than bad mums.
But while all have merit DOCS is to blame, its political corectness its blindness its white wash its complete lack of direction.
Good thread good intent but this dark stuff has nothing to do with subject and is not debate
regards

Yes Belly the “dark stuff” is a worry but also something the government has now advanced closer to placing the children closer to.

I’m not really one for adhering to topics; I appreciate the natural ebb and flow of conversations in general. I was hoping for no debate at all, having to prove how wrong these recommendations are isn’t something I thought I would have to debate with anyone.

Last week the media named DoCS several times, was amazing how they stepped up the anti-DoCS material and heralded in the Woods Report as a savior of children. If you read through the articles half the kids were with NGO’s while being abused and raped.

DoCS needed to be improved whereas now it looks like they will remove kids from parents, go to court and hand out vast amounts of monies to NGO’s while never having to set eyes on the state wards again.

Caring for children will be about money and the building up of caregiver bases in NSW, it was already going in that direction. I have to say I have not met a caseworker I didn’t like, I am lucky enough by the sounds of it in my area to have met some genuine and caring people. It was always management as Fractelle pointed out.

I have met NGO caseworkers too, was half and half but the half I didn’t like had a horrible grabbing attitude towards children, they wanted them fast and didn’t care what distress the children were in. Never had I ever heard a DoCS caseworker say “screaming children is normal” just the NGO’s.

That dark stuff Belly, this is the little Aussies new reality. Private businesses are capable of hiding what is happening even better than government departments especially since they can keep the DoCS caseworkers at arms length.

You’re comforting OUG, the day fostering fell to bits for me. My first weird thought was going to the hospital, maybe they could do something – medical induced coma until it was all over would have been nice. Then a little hand put itself in mine and I realized with a lot of shame that I had forgotten something.

What name did you want? When I first saw “OUG” I kept thinking Under One God and thought Muslim.

My name change is me hiding more after my recent DoCS encounter and a reflection of what the NGO’s will make foster parents. Most of the children have called me “ooeee” being little and all. Doesn’t look good in print.

“[on another note i noted the appeal period has been extended[and appeal judges have changed,..”

Where did you see this? Something this huge and nothing from the media. I had a young mum whose children have been taken e-mail me the other day telling me to quickly go listen to a radio station about DoCS because there was a mention of the Wood Report. Her children have been moved because of a foster parent abusing her child and still she finds time to help another foster parent. The parents are starting to understand… I guess the powerless usually understand something first.

from your last link
[5],Omit“at risk of harm”wherever occurring.
Insert instead..“at risk of significant harm”.
[6]Section 27 Mandatory reporting
Omit..'the person must,as soon as practicable, report to” from section 27 (2).
Insert instead “it is the duty of the person to report,as soon as practicable, to”.
[7]Section 27 (2)
Omit the penalty..at the end of the subsection.
[8]..The Director-General and the head of a relevant agency may
enter into an arrangement under which a person (the staff
member) who:
(a) is employed in or engaged by the relevant agency, and
(b) is a person to whom section 27 applies,
may, in accordance with the terms of the arrangement, refer to an
assessment officer of the agency any matter that the staff member
would otherwise be required to report to the Director-General
under that section.

2Section 8 What are the objects of this Act?
Omit “taking into account the rights, powers and duties” from section 8 (a).
Insert instead “having regard to the capacity”.

155 Review of supported out-of-home care arrangements
(1) If a child or young person has been in supported out-of-home care
for a period, or for periods in the aggregate, exceeding 3 months
in any period of 12 months, the designated agency having
supervisory responsibility for the child or young person must
conduct a review of the out-of-home care arrangements at least
once in every period of 12 months.
Omit section 43 (1). Insert instead:
(1) The Ombudsman must prepare a report every 2 years on the
Ombudsman’s work and activities under this Part for the
preceding 2 years.

The first such biennial report is to be prepared
in respect of the 2-year period ending on 30 June 2010.

(1A) Each report under subsection(1)must be provided to the
Presiding Officer of each House of Parliament as soon as
practicable after 30 June.
[
4]Section 43[2)(a)
Omit “previous calendar year”.Insert instead“reporting period”.
[5]Section 43(4)
Omit“an annual report under this section”.
Insert instead “a report under subsection (1)”.

Pied Piper

OK - prefer your previous moniker. But you have your reasons.

The more I read about Woods recommendation the more it sounds like a push for privatisation. Maybe the intentions were good, but the solutions offered are not in the best interest of the children.

Number One priority is welfare of our children. Therefore:

Should we place our children's care into the for-profit sector?

If you answer "yes" go back to question and start again (little joke).

Therefore we need public service to provide overall administration of placement, history and progress (or not) of children.

However, current system isn't working - only possible way to change is to lobby local MP's. For example, make the Liberal Opposition do some work for a change and push Labor towards repair and rejuvenation of DoCS.

So that you don't 're-invent the wheel' below is link to previous petition on DoCS with good advice on presenting a petition.

http://altnews.com.au/drop/node/2551

Love and Good Luck.

Hey Fractelle, I also liked my other name. It was suggested I don’t be so obvious – I have no idea however how to not be me.

DoCS are all over the Altnews site, requesting copies of all my posts. I have signed some petitions on there though and understood a bit more from the parent’s side of things which I can condense in to two words “powerless” and “angry”. Given these huge changes that are currently going through I cant see a petition getting through right now and no one seems very focused on the NGO’s and the role they are about to play in the fostering game.

OUG…
“155 Review of supported out-of-home care arrangements
(1) If a child or young person has been in supported out-of-home care
for a period, or for periods in the aggregate, exceeding 3 months
in any period of 12 months, the designated agency having
supervisory responsibility for the child or young person must
conduct a review of the out-of-home care arrangements at least
once in every period of 12 months.”

Translation: Place in other filing cabinet then put back.

“[5],Omit“at risk of harm”wherever occurring.
Insert instead..“at risk of significant harm”.”

Translation: Don’t call us our phones don’t work (Justice Wood obviously has no idea how insignificant all the little parts of a neglected child’s life are over time).

“[6]Section 27 Mandatory reporting
Omit..'the person must,as soon as practicable, report to” from section 27 (2).
Insert instead “it is the duty of the person to report,as soon as practicable, to”.

Translation: You have to but, whenever.

Tell me I am wrong and I will be a lot happier.

I liked your old tag too.
Please let me tell you you will not win.
They know who you are here in this forum, they spend more time hurting real people than helping them.
In fact while you are supporting them, they are haunting you, not nice.
Is it private child care is that bad or good?
Well kids first, just this mornings headlines will do, DOC,s has barred that 15 year old from seeing his 12 year old, soon to be a mum.
Why not before she fell pregnant?
Do you know how little workers get paid in child care? even private enterprise?
Horrible story,s of working single mothers struggling to feed a family on those wages exist.
My bottom line is friend please never let your guard down, DOC,s is far better hurting innocents than helping the needy.
If ever whistle blowers could unite and go public without fear some storys would be world headlines but white wash will never go out of fashion.

Hey Belly, I did figure I didn’t have a snowballs chance… [Smile]

Funny aye, do you know when I was first questioned about online activities in the next breath I was asked if I could do separate reports on the children I have instead of combined ones like I had been doing – will make it easier to file them. Staggering really.

NGO caseworkers get more than DoCS caseworkers whose base salary is over 50,000.00 last I heard - NGO caseworkers get more benefits than DoCS caseworkers and company cars as well. Why not, DoCS are paying for it. I missed the single mother story but “child care” is like pre-school?

This morning’s headlines are a joke, a kid sleeping with a kid isn’t even interesting. I don’t see what DoCS were supposed to do to begin with. I’ll put bets on the girl seeing the boy again. Placing a runaway kid with either parent usually results in them running the opposite way. The media are again having a bleat while the big stories that really affect all foster children just slip on by. They will take the baby, not many foster homes take mother and child. Red Cross runs a home for young mums in Sydney. DoCS funds them plus they charge the girls rent from their single mother benefits.

I would happily blow the whistle if not for the hostages they have in my home, it may even be the reason why they left me some but since I did go the Ombudsman’s office (and this was only a short puff on a whistle) I have had no new Short Term placements, my local caseworkers don’t understand it. But DoCS is one thing, an NGO is a much scarier beast Belly.

No matter what DoCS is doing to me I can see that them being diminished in any way will leave children vulnerable to abuse.

Pied Piper

DoCS sound like witch hunters of old - I don't understand why they would be pursuing you on sites like Alternet. OK, you need to keep your head down for the time being. There's an old saying about walking softly and carrying a big stick. So I imagine you'll have to bide your time and keep a record on everything for when you can stick your neck out again.

I agree with Belly on the wages for basic care workers - they're woeful, but case-workers receive a reasonable package and I take your point that NGO case-workers are better paid but from the same bucket as DoCS, which helps the case for privatising being more expensive and no more effective.

In the middle of this all are the children - I despair, what can I say? Our priorities are freaked.

All I can say is that I send all the love and hope and good luck that I can to you. If you just felt a little better, that was because you were given a big hug.

DoCS are a bit weird. Oh the website stuff; someone made an allegation to an office in Queensland which got passed to my local office on the Central Coast. See I’m crap at not identifying myself.

But anyways, the allegation was that I uploaded a photo of a foster child to Altnews. I never did and the owner also wrote and told them I never did. Allegation came from someone I had a bit of a debate with online. Hey she started it and I had no idea that I was dealing with someone with a personality disorder at the time.

Looking around different sites all the information I am getting back is that NGO’s get up to 5000.00 a week per child which about 300.00 they pass on to the caregiver a week and keep the rest to fund management. I get 200.00 a week per child working through DoCS (and that is perfectly adequate for your average under five). I am still trying to find an accurate figure because it seems more nuts than I thought the government could be. The taxpayers should be spewing.

Haha... I thought my night time cold pill had just kicked but nup I find out it was a hug from Fractelle.[smile]

I think I just continue bringing it up everywhere I can find until someone listens.

Oh and the personal meanness I am experiencing from DoCS; well hubby has written to them demanding to know if they have blacklisted his wife and why and asking it be noted what a hurtful situation they have placed me in. The blacklisting appeared the day the Ombudsmans office called my local DoCS, nothing to do with the photo allegation, that was quite recent.

Julie sorry you have indeed blown it.
Take this advice from an expert, keep your head down.
I wear my heart on my sleeve.
You do too.
I truely with my every breath am middle of the road unionist.
That means I am for fairness and equity in all things.
I was at a funeral the other day, for a workmate.
Old bosses reminded me they thought I was a trouble maker.
I knew I had been no such thing, but once told each of them right from wrong.
This time?
I smiled and let it go over my head.
In coming months they will deal with me again, this time as union official looking after my ex work mates.
They will see a wiser man, one who controls his feelings thinks before talking, my old bosses need no help from me.
In your fight,the same one I have filled my life with, for kids safety you must box not brawl.
DOCs holds great fear for me, those kids deserve better, we should never pay some people to have children kids are to wonderful to be treated so badly.

I am unable to shut up Belly but cheers for my name in public ya goose.[smile]

If each situation I have been in regarding foster children I could think to myself “yep they did their best under a difficult situation” then that is life, people, even kids, suffer sometimes.

I do however agree with the privacy of the child being important. A question: Can I sacrifice some children for the good of more without the certainty it will do any good?

I may have been the other way round to you Belly, trained in NZ where the local child services will ring or come and see you, be straight up and give you a damn good telling off. I kept my head down for years and did my babysitting without comment through some really weird situations. Then recently it was just pushed too far and hopefully my local department wont repeat that soul destroying mistake again. One thing is children being messed about and not treated with a lot of thought, entirely another to be told something will cause a child to be terrified and then just carry on anyway.

Aussie child services seem to be a completely different beast, everything covered up and not spoken about, no confirming or denying and a lot of silence and non replies to questions. One caseworker said everything was about politics and butt covering and little to do with the children. I believe caseworkers suffer more from inside the department than what they see on the outside.

PSA haven’t gotten back to me – how do I make a Union let me join for free? The fees are based on income and of course I don’t have a predicted income. If you earn something like 7000.00 a year the annual fees were around 149.00 – seemed a bit rough to me.

Sorry about that, thanks for the grin.
I got your name from you, in another post.
I am not looking for it but those who are are far better at snooping than looking after kids
Lets hope the coming death of MY government in NSW brings change for the better in our state
If anyone from MY party is ofended by my statement let them consider this, we fight like hell to gain government.
Why to govern well, we need desperatly to understand that.
Not to hold ofice no matter what.
I am ashamed to see anti union anti worker contractors getting preference over government workers at more cost and poor outcomes from this shambolic mob calling them selves ALP

Well said Belly.

In respect to Piper's question, isn't there some way that she can receive assistance from the union? Please can you find out?

Our children desperately need people like her, I hope you can help.

Jewely
Will the children vote in the next federal or state elections? If not then forget the politicians! They care only for the voters and ONLY on the election day!
About the beaurocracy they do not have heart and most time they are lazy to use their brain!
I am very sorry! The ONLY thing you can do is to fight for an association who will promote foster children's rights, but you will see the results from this fight later.
Believe me the only language they understand is the power, the fight for children's right, an association (many people) open to you the doors to mass media, City Counsil etc.
You must prepare yourself for long term fight. If ever you decide for an association do not forget that I am ready to become member. CHILDREN DESERVE A BETTER LIFE.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

Antonios, it is a good point you raise about children’s rights and something that through everything I have seen I hadn’t considered. There is no one that supports the foster children. NSW has The Children’s Guardian but they will not defend any individual child.

Their role seems to be one of accrediting the NGO’s and I really don’t see what else they do. But I do have a big problem Antonios, I am not allowed to speak about individual cases or specific situations in detail this is why you don’t hear a lot from any foster parents online. Effectively gagged.

Do you know what occurred to me, or a non-fostering friend pointed out to me. Foster parents are means tested for the family assistance, well I knew that part but I never thought about how insulting it is that we are penalized for working (or husband is) while taking in children. This also penalizes the children for being in a home with an income. But foster parents do have different associations that will help. Now I need to work out how to defend the kids from the department whose job it is to protect children… how bizarre is that?

Excuse my ignorance Belly but when you say “MY” party do you mean your party or does “MY” stand for something? Me not knowing enough about Australia yet really does get in my way. I mistake commonly known things locally and take them literally. But yes you are right, I did name myself. Least it wasn’t my full name like you did![laugh]

Thanks Fractelle – Belly will a union take me if I make a donation?

They do need me, I am sneakily watching one over the top of my computer screen as I type this and I suspect this one needs me to tell them off it they don’t stop trying to pull the train track to bits, took me two days to put the colossal thing together and hot glue it down.

Sorry I wanted to highlight I am a part of the ALP its my party my life.
I am very happy very proud of our federal government.
But ashamed of the direction my party took after Bob Carr.
And just as unhappy the opersition has no need of politics, we have left the field of battle , gave them the next election over a year before it is held.
I increaseingly am not prepared to hide my shame in my party giving work to high cost low quality contractors while keeping numbers down in government work.
Having casuals working for years in jobs that should have been filled long ago.
Those workers are employed by underpaying grubs,sometimes ex union people,victimising low paid casuals with help from ministers without pride.
union?
not easy all unions want membership, after all its the fees that fuel the movement.
A lot goes back into the comunity via donations ext but too much work has been done in the past by every union for non members, who even after jobs have been saved do not pay dues.
your case is hard two unions could cover you.
But in my view your very best bet is find an industrial lawyer who may do it pro bono, for free, such firms exist
I and my union have no rights to represent you if I could I would .

unions are little remedy..[as are lawyers]at best they might help you sort out the words to best describe the problem..[and try to suggest a result]..then they put it into a letter[and follow up the letter]ocasionally

but essentially they atre there to stop the problem becomming their problem[dont misunderstand that union powewr hasnt had its positive affect[but by and larege this is the result of the people in the union taking joint action

[but joint action has become very difficult thanks to howhard and co[and keating and the labour sellouts running the state govt[i note the states especially have sold out buig time[for every real unionist there are ten non unionists and public servants..[serving their uber meisters..[bankers and lawyers..via their masonic lodge]

[lawyers are never loyal to the union..[being sworn members of the lawyer union controled from briton..[first and foremost loyal to the bench that gives them their title]

your assistance..[if any]..would best be done through womans groups[and other assosiations..that are really serving children..,ngo's that have public faces and meetings..[without the entrenched control mechanisms..[overlording it over others]

regardless there are kids that need you[and efforts you put in elsewhere are destracting you from the main job]...teaching those betrayed to trust again...

its interesting the child ripping off the fixed tracks...despite your fixing them..to run their sure course..[the child is conveying you..to follow your own path,..you simply cant lose by following the kids promptings..they are nore connected to your spiritual advisers than you...follow their lead...what paRT OF THE TRACK..didst the child dislike...when we are working on a solution evey thing has its teaching[timming is everything..[god gives us solutions in real time[not in hindsite]

Afternoon Belly baby, I don’t know if I am happy with the federal government. I wish you didn’t have state ones as well though. Besides how privatizing pervious government work that will lead to children being abused… wasn’t it because the service was contracted out that Mr Ward died in the back of that van?

Maybe I can condense down my concerns that all departments that have humans as a “product” like police, DoCS, Prisons, Welfare etc should never be allowed to be kept away from being the total responsibility of the government?

Hey I forgot to mention that late yesterday I found out that the allegation against me had been closed and I am innocent. I think I told them that to begin with. But now I can get on and concentrate better on the kids. Maybe it is the Children’s Guardian I need to approach because even NGO’s that are continually in the news with stories of abused children within their ranks are still left with their accreditation.

Maybe The Children’s Guardian needs to be the one that steps up and does better. If I find out they charge the NGO’s to be accredited I am going to scream.

I remember Union fees being deducted automatically from my wages in NZ. Don’t they do that here? Actually I wouldn’t even know if they still do it in NZ.

Your new name brings back memorys.
In my wild young days we had a hit song I am the pied piper.
It was my groups theme, I had it painted on the side of my van.
good news and not a suprise to us,we knew you would do nothing wrong .
But we have to face facts DOC,s has form for hurting the innocents.
Unions? big subject so keep it short, we are bound by laws not yet removed, in fact some of the came from my party in the 1990,s.
Some are about to be imposed by this federal government.
I love them .
But.
Well maybe they think like me after all.
I see a different future for unions than the past.
Less extremist more and closer servicing, get back to the roots of the movement.
Your case proves unions have a roll to play.
We do have payroll deductions all unions do.
But some see no need to contribute, until they need help.
Back to the kids, while I fight forever to stop needless privatisation Children are not to be used as pawns, the best and only the best is good enough private or government.

For Belly.[smile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNJiJkV_rCk

“I see a different future for unions than the past. Less extremist more and closer servicing, get back to the roots of the movement.
Your case proves unions have a roll to play.”

Sad aye but yes looks like volunteers do need a Union. I would prefer what I do to be work, with rights, a contract, taxes, union deductions, and all. I am pretty sure the deductions were mandatory in NZ back then.

“Back to the kids, while I fight forever to stop needless privatisation Children are not to be used as pawns, the best and only the best is good enough private or government.”

That’s what the problem is though… it is who makes the money that will develop in to who doesn’t look too hard for problems. I really think the children are safer with the government. But the government still needed to fix DoCS.

The expense is going to be huge. Children will suffer.

And I am still waiting to hear back from NSW Children’s Guardian about this whole accreditation thing they do. I am asking what it takes to have accreditation withdrawn. They have a very nice website. When I wrote to them a few months ago and said some children were in trouble and needed help they told me to take it to the ombudsman because they don’t do anything for individual children. So in what way do they do the following?

http://www.kidsguardian.nsw.gov.au
“Under the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998, the Children's Guardian's functions are to:
• promote the best interests of all children and young persons in out-of-home care,
• ensure the rights of all children and young persons in out-of-home care are safeguarded and promoted,
• accredit designated agencies and to monitor their responsibilities under the Act and the regulations. “

<<So in what way do they do the following?

http://www.kidsguardian.nsw.gov.au
“Under the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998, the Children's Guardian's functions are to:
• promote the best interests of all children and young persons in out-of-home care,
• ensure the rights of all children and young persons in out-of-home care are safeguarded and promoted,>>

THEY DO IT BY
<<•..accredit[ING]..designated agencies and to monitor...their responsibilities..under the Act and the regulations.>>

THE DESIGNATED AGENCIES ARE
<<Such services should include:
a...home visiting,preferably by professionals,high quality child care,
preferably centre based,primary health care,school readiness programs,
routine screening for domestic violence,preschool services,school
counsellors,breakfast programs and early learning programs

b.sustained home visiting for at risk families,parent education,supported playgroups,counselling services, the Home School Liaison Program and accommodation and rental assistance
c.drug and alcohol counselling and rehabilitation services,sexual assault counselling,forensic services for sexual assault victims,Physical Abuse and Neglect of Children services,services for 10-17 year olds who display sexually abusive behaviours and allied health services such as speech pathology and mental health services.

Secondary and tertiary services that include intensive,short term, in-home and crisis interventions and that also provide links to other services
...Each of the Area Health Services,The Children’s Hospital at Westmead,the Department of Education and Training,NSW Police Force,the Department of Ageing Disability and Home Care

and the Department of Juvenile Justice should create a Unit which advises staff on whether a report should be made to DoCS and,if the proposed report does not disclose a risk of significant harm,the Unit should assist the child or young person by,among other matters:

a. referring them to a newly created Regional Intake and Referral Service...That service is to be located within a non-government organisation and it..will determine the nature of the services required

"The Children's Guardian is responsible for promoting the best interests and rights of children and young people in out-of-home care.

We work to improve out-of-home care for children and young people in NSW. To do this, the Children's Guardian works with children and young people, their families and carers, government agencies and community-based organisations.

The Office for Children, the Children's Guardian is an independent organisation that reports directly to the Minister for Community Services. The Children's Guardian can make special reports to Parliament and to the Minister."

More from the Children's Guardian Site. This seems to boil down to "we can make reports". Nice that they are "special" ones though.

I know of no foster carers that have even been contacted by this agency and they do not take compaints about children in distress.

Now how do I get them to listen to you OUG?

Oh and I stole this from the thread about Mr Ward, different situation but same problem I think.

RobP: "I'd also add that this is what you get when Governments privatise services they really should be doing themselves. There is a role for the private sector, but there are always things that Governments do better and should take responsibility for."

hey jewel did ya see talking heads[abc]tonight..<<Deborah and Cedric Lee have both been awarded the Order of Australia,..not for being film stars or business big-shots but for fostering children.>>

i believe they might just have a forum..there is a transcript at the link

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/talkingheads/txt/s2597977.htm

seems also i heard 730 report might have something about foster kids tomorrow...[couldnt find it at the link..[but try it again tomorrow]
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
did you contact[like i said]there is a link at the link

did you catch 4 corners tonight..[heart breaking stuff]kids in nigeria callked witches burnt and murded etc..[has a happy ending]investagative reporting that actually changes stuff[think about contracting the producer

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/

Hey OUG, I did see the Witch Children, felt a bit sick (and of course very angry) watching it. I would like Aussie to send a ship and pick them all up right now. That could well be a generation that needs stealing. And a woman appeared responsible for this abuse on such a massive scale and of course the thing that ultimately was her vehicle for this abuse; religion.

Just read the Lee’s interview. They seem a funny and very nice couple. I also got obsessed with cot death, still am and have a video/sound monitor over my cots at night turned up so I can hear and see babies breathing. They are also right that you do have to laugh a lot fostering and I have run across caseworkers that find my humor a little bit harsh.

In NZ I did a few adoption babies, very different from fostering and much happier circumstances and outcomes on the whole. I never even thought about it here, but I don’t feel it is something I am needed for in a way.

Deborah Lee did say that when a child goes to not such a good place she makes something up in her head to make it okay. I would kill for that kind of skill. Must be why everything was so tickityboo for them and no massive complaints against the government in the interview.

I couldn’t accept an award myself. I failed one child through some weird mindset where I didn’t know I could do any better or failed to see further. It’s like that rule in Law about ignorance not being an excuse. And for me one failure negates all previous and future success.

I really have to catch up; I didn’t know there was a 7:30 report program. Thank you for the link and I will see if I can spot it.

The Children's Guardian replied to my question about if they can take away accreditation if an NGO has mulitple complaints against them:

"Under the Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998, the position of the Children’s Guardian was set up to promote the best interests and rights of children and young people in out-of-home Care (OOHC) in NSW. One of the functions of the Children’s Guardian is to accredit agencies who wish to provide OOHC and to monitor their responsibilities under the Act and associated regulations. Legislation allows for a range of measures to be undertaken where agencies do not meet the requirements.

The OCCG does not have a complaint investigation role. The NSW Ombudsman has the power to respond to complaints and concerns regarding the conduct of organisations that provide out-of-home-care. Further information about how the NSW Ombudsman handles complaints can be found at www.ombo.nsw.gov.au ( http://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/ ). In brief, the NSW Ombudsman can investigate complaints and make recommendations and can make a report to the relevant minister if applicable."

Now what?

there are children who need your healing..[just focus on the basics]..its ok to know of the cccrap in the world,..but the system has designed it so that complaints dont work..

this really is satans realm...every bit of love we can make here is a bit of love that wasnt here before...changing a crappy nappy..is the highest calling...there are people in this realm that love dwelling into the filth of the matter..but your best purpose is just to change the darn thing

we all chose to be born...each life has its teachings...you chose to be born to help kids..so just focus on that..you going nuts wont fix anything..so dont lose it...be zen like about your healing..[here is a child that needs love,..so love it..here is a child with a crappy nappy so change it]

your duty is to survive..[and preferably to help the kids be that little bit stronger when they leave]..we are spirits having a bodilly incarnation...your loving spirit is to refresh the kids..be their oasis..to give them that difference..[love]...

just do that that makes both of you feel better..be the laughter..be the lover...that warmth on a rainy daY..[the biggest problem is fixed on step at a time]..

people cant change till they see the better way..[you must know that reports feedback on each other...simply by loving..your doing all that is needed..so love yourself..

find the peace within..stop worrying..and change that nappy..[give that hug,smile/sing/laugh..soon everyone will want a bit of that...be the egsample..do what you love..and love what you do...

its not getting the things we want..[that make us happy]
but realising the things we allready got

gee i need a smoke...lol

just me..doing what i love to do...lol

“gee i need a smoke...lol

just me..doing what i love to do...lol”

Bloody hell, might join ya.[smile]

I wont go nuts, well not on purpose. Would be easier if I was busier right now… I have been given much time to dwell although there is a promise that I have not been blacklisted in any way by one, others have a different opinion. So I wait in a much quieter household but not completely empty.

At least I learnt some stuff here about finding where your power is and then using it. Thank you for that. Oh and more stuff in e-mail that there was a delay putting in to practice but is back on the horizon moving my way again.

Until there is some more little ones to have some fun with I will try and work out this puzzle about the government. I want to know how the NGO’s are not policed and complaints not taken in a broader sense. Individual complaints handed back to a local DoCS office. Once accreditation is given it seems to remain without further effort.

So my big question to the Children’s Guardian NSW is how do they “promote the best interests and rights of children and young people in out-of-home Care (OOHC) in NSW”?

Also the question I forgot to put in my e-mail just before, maybe I am few posts short of a thread right now or maybe going nuts is one of those things you have to look back on to acknowledge...

I must go reply to the men on Ihategovdept.something which is actually a bit frightening for me at times.

hey jewel say this vidio[and thunk of you]..the vidio is quick..[of a girl baby talking non stop...she is saying something very important

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/06/23/Are-Women-Born-Like-This.aspx

here is the blurb...<<..This video may leave you wondering if some parts of personality are set very early indeed.

Well, wonder no more.

Science has actually already looked into the matter, and found a significant correlation between fetal testosterone levels and vocabulary, suggesting that fetal testosterone might be involved in shaping the neural mechanisms underlying communicative development.

That is: the LOWER your testosterone, the greater your vocabulary.

One study found that girls had a significantly larger vocabulary than boys at the ages of 18 and 24 months after birth. Their discovery replicated previous findings of a female advantage in language ability, but revealed this sex difference at the earliest point of development...

i will add that testosterone level is higher in times of stress[so there might be a clue in the childs background, the shy silent types might signify less stress in the mother[or breast feeding..[a thing that calms both mum and child]...anyhow gotta go hear the vidio again[and figure out what the child is saying]...cheer's eh

Hey if you work it out let me know, that was brilliant and my first laugh at the screen of the day.

Wonder if women have less ability to process testosterone and that’s why we gab when stressed? Or has society taught men to shoosh and give no clue. So if this hormone is in low amounts it allows vocabulary to form but if in high amounts you talk more for short periods but aren’t as good at it?

Has made me think a lot, I get kids and if of talking age they talk a lot the first couple of weeks. And obviously they are stressed and their world just changed. I always assumed it was part of a bonding thing and a need to feel comfortable with me or my family and the other children. The stress leads to talking which leads to forming a bond which reduces the stress?

I had one boy awhile ago whose favourite thing it was just to come and sit outside with me and watch the other kids play while we talked, he was 5 at the time. If I was sitting he was sitting and talking. If I went away he would play but soon as I was back he was right there beside me. I miss him, I hope he is now with someone who likes chatting.

It’s a shame DoCS never asks what sort of adult would be the best for a particular child before sending them to grow up with a family. He probably went off to deaf mutes or something.

you got the gist[despite my simple error]breast feeding would make a more talkative child[due to lower stress]

those kids that dont talk..would come from a high stress home..too much testosterone/adrenolin...i feel a talkative child hasnt been in-jured by its surroundings..[whereas a silent child clearly has had stress[one of the best things would be to get them to open up/talk]

the other thing that occured to me after posting is that even such things as the link are outlawed..because they contain an image of a child[things have gotten so convoluted parents have lost their kids for taking photo's of em in bath,or playing sports..[i must say i agree to a point,why should adults want photos of kids anyhow]

i had a friend once who wanted a kiss from my daughter for a lolly[that felt to me like training her to sell kisses for sweets..[i never saw that guy again..

it may seem overeaction but im not willing to risk her getting used to lollies for 'kisses'..then one day getting into some fools car for sweets...kids are such a touchy topic..everything we do they copy,..with kids i would rather play it safe...let kids be with kids and adults with adults

anyhow im glad you got a laugh..it was funny...i hope that some clues are contained in all of this stuff...kids talking is normal..kids not talking is a sign..

one of the best things..you can teach any kid..is to ring 000 anytime they feel in danger..the calls are automaticlly traced and recorded...learn to play the ring up..for instant help line..game..and they know where they can get help anytime...then get to the stage where they ring 000 and talk about scary things to those who can instantly help

teach them to ring 000

ring ring whos there..[say their name and tell the phone what/who hurt you]..older kids must be taught the street name game..[what street are we in now..[what is the number of the house..[whats their name game]..simple stuff each kid must know..to be safe in these times

Yes the whole wanting cuddles or kisses as a payment for something is definitely out. Hopefully not within the family home though. It is a burden being this aware (on your guard against) of danger OUG.

I had two nieces come to stay with me once, about 7 and 9 and I remember they did not get any pudding until they could tell me my phone number and how to ring for help. I had forgotten this older kid stuff as I am usually dealing with the little ones. I will remember to teach the 000 to the stage appropriate children.

I can just see one of them ringing to say Julie wouldn’t let them play outside today. [smile]

I read a long time ago that breastfeeding releases some sleep hormone into the mother and the child. You go a bit strange when you’re breastfeeding – fear of public places in case some other person’s baby cries, putting the iron in the fridge, and looking for your sunnies that you’re wearing… Really does dumb a mum up for the duration.

Kids being with kids is the best thing, everything actually becomes so much easier if you have a group of children and they teach each other so much. I haven’t actively potty trained in ages as the little ones just start copying the older ones. They learn about eating at a table from each other and how to share, also how to trick each other and some other funny stuff.

Photos, well they are attached to memories I guess, usually happy ones. I know parents just love them when they can’t be with their children all the time.

That utegate thing is on TV, I won’t pretend to understand it, it seems trivial and is annoying me when I want them talking about keeping children safe.

Dear Piper,

Well, I just snuck back into your thread -
and my goodness it's still going!
Congratulations!

You're one gutsy Lady!

You remind me of the following quote:

"Nothing in the world can take the place
of persistence.
Talent will not;
nothing is more common than
unsuccessful men/women with talent.
Genius will not;
unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not;
the world is full of educated derelicts.
Persistence and determination
alone are omnipotent.
The slogan "Press On' has solved
and always will solve
the problems of the human race."
-Calvin Coolridge.

Onya Piper!
Big Hug -

Foxy I have done my usual and gone well off track. No additional info can be gained until something else happens. I am still trying to find out what is happening and when it will happen. DoCS are still recruiting foster parents, they have made some different three year contracts with NGO’s. This is confusing some NGO’s that were not given any room to grow or reason to recruit any new carers themselves.

The Children’s Guardian haven’t given any clue as to how the NGO’s will be monitored and if truly useless (which will equate to children in care being abused) they don’t have the means (that they have said) to take away the accreditation they gave them.

I am also trying to find out why on earth family assistance is means tested with foster children besides probably saving a lot of money. There is something not right about it but I don’t have it set in concrete quite yet as to why it is annoying me.

Persistence is all I have since the genius and talent are sadly lacking. I do wish I had your skills for finding information and I really wish I had lived here longer as I miss things or misunderstand a lot of common local knowledge.

I am lost in the sex scandal thread and feeling a little bit sorry for Anti. The thread on gender, err… well I don’t know if anyone needs fixing but optional alterations don’t bother me. Then there is a thread from Antonios where I am probably going to get shot down. So I creep back here and talk to OUG about children. I kinda assumed it was forgotten.

Thank you for popping in Foxy… if not stopped you’ll probably see me in here having a rant occasionally as the government proceeds with its slow migration of the foster children in to objects of revenue.

And I hope everything with you is well and thank you for your words they are appreciated.

copied not to distress but to inform
http://www.drshirleymoore.com/MediaHandout.pdf
its from usa our nearest and dearest allie

other news a phone for 4 yearolds
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195007/On-sale-soon-The-mobile-aimed-year-olds.html

fighting beurocracy
http://lewrockwell.com/buppert/buppert26.1.html

"copied not to distress but to inform
http://www.drshirleymoore.com/MediaHandout.pdf
its from usa our nearest and dearest allie"

That was interesting. I posted it over on altnews, good for them to know they aren't alone in the world. I have had many children I didn't believe should have been placed in care, most of them returned to parents but it is so scary that it happens often and the heartbreak that must follow not knowing how your child is.

I invented that phone years ago, even wrote to telecom in NZ and asked them to make one.[smile] Mine was only going to have the call to mum and dad and nothing else though.

I also wrote to a refrigerator company and asked them to make triangle shaped fridges that fit in kitchen corners. Oh and many years ago I wrote to Monopoly and requested they make little eftpos machines because my kids kept stealing the money.

Hey recently I wrote to Sony and asked them to make TV's with screens on the back and the front for open plan living areas.

I may have been quite mental for a long time. I am pleased when someone validates one of my ideas.

Two managers coming to see me tomorrow, don't know why. They always make out they are just popping in which is more worrying than an official sounding visit.

hey jewel's another topic in the articles section
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=9097&page=0
yet another 'inquiry'..that wont go anywhere

Call for apology to 500,000 abused children
Stephanie Peatling Social Affairs

http://www.smh.com.au/national/call-for-apology-to-500000-abused-children-20090625-cya1.html

Huffnpuff?

“hey jewel's another topic in the articles section
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=9097&page=0
yet another 'inquiry'..that wont go anywhere”

I never go over to articles… Today I am freaking out about managers visiting me but will read it afterwards. Funny how things come in on topics… husband sent me that newspaper article and you send me the other one within about 10 seconds of each other.

I think (remember I haven’t read it properly yet) this is another cycle and every few decades some are going to owe many others an apology and on it goes because no one stops it.

its ok jewel..im fairly sure..[there wont be any sweat..regarding the visit..[as you should know..by now]..you have done nothing wrong..[you asked for help..and help has arrived..[ok its only a gut feeling,..but dont sweat about it

i will grieve here..for a while..[re michael jackson dying]..he was an enigma..[even now..as he dwells in hell..of his own choice]..it may be of intrest..to egsamin his case more closely...here is a dude/..abused from birth..by his father..[who so tried to avoid being like his abuser..he abused himself]

michael was one of those..innocents of the world..[who truelly wouldnt[couldnt hurt a fly..but was so stuffed-over..by the real child/perverts,..his self image..only..allows him to seek the darkness[currently i'm seeing lady dianne..franticlly begging with michael.in a garden on the atral plain..[but michaels own self-loathing..of what evil HE FEELS..he did..is dragging him down..into hell]

on the karmic scale..he dosnt know..his self-percieved evil,,is byfar outweighed by the good..he has done..collectivly in this world..[his key thoughts/..are in his song..[im looking at the man in the mirror..[and the demon..he saw..in the mirror..was his father/joe..[and his inner voice singing..im bad/im bad/i know it]...litle knowing the good..in his own/heart..

its a trajic case..even those who know him best..[his guardian spirits..feel only pain at his own self/doudt..[he was a pefectionist..ok he still..is mainly because the abuse.he got from joe..created the michael..we all loved...

he is said..to have died from a heart attack..[revealing the stress that his..'perfection'..had on his physical being]..im told there were to be some great songs..about to be unveiled..earth changing songs..but the earth deserved them..not in the least..anyhow now watch the unwinding of what will be..become unwound..he was too good for this realm

anyhow..im going to play some of his music..and grieve for a bit..hoping like the others..in heaven do that michael will soon wake up/and realise he is the love..and stop the darn self-flagulation..

send him our prayer's..that he leave the darkness/behind him..and head to the light...their waiting for him to reveal..his new-show...

anyhow jewels..trust everything went fine with the authorities..[make sure you tell them your concerns..i expect this is the help you asked for..[re the email to wayne]...heal the world

Hey OUG… it is a weird feeling when someone so well known dies. He did have a messy life and I don’t think I ever thought to myself that he was a happy person. I also didn’t know until an older foster child told me this news late yesterday.

Authorities just kind of repeated what has already been said, yep innocent. There was an absolute denial of any unspoken informal punishment and a suggestion of coincidence. Problem with me is unless I see change I do not believe others have been innocent.

Regarding e-mail; that situation hasn’t happened as there was a delay so I have more time to look after the one little soul every few days but what is planned is getting closer.

That rests on the intentions of others instead of their denials. I’m getting more and more cryptic aye.

Obviously one little soul is still returning to a bad place after each time with me. But this isn’t going to be the reason used for a move, other less damaging but still bad things will be used as the reason and so hence the lack of urgency.

Did it make sense? Pretty much revolves around me being powerless to initiate any immediate change or predict the outcome. My concerns are always listened to politely but I don’t think I am heard.

Now my internet activites, that thing on altnews where I was user #1 – I was also users #2 #3 #4 and #5 so it was only me that was of interest to authorities. The term sock puppet was mentioned. I hope the other four users didn’t have a meltdown because of it.

sockpuppet is pervert-slang..for a shared child..they jointly abuse..[same with scumbag..being a 2 de use condom]..its sad people use words..without knowing what they mean..as previously relayed that..'horible word'..pedophile simply means child/lover..we musnt use their words..[it gives them aid and comfort]

child perverts..are perverts..[ok i never looked up what..per-vert means],..so should take my own advice...words are sacred..[sacred/words are s/words]..if words are being used..their real meaning must be accurate..to wound the intended recipiant..[not comfort them]

michael is a difficult case,..the usual thing is that the victim becomes a pervert...anyhow thats the excuse they often give..in court[court cases are often decieving..listening to the charges joe/jaks-son's son faced the head charge..appeared to be..conspiricy[not sex with a child]...

not a lot can be made from that..but it is an indication of what they had the highest proof for..[its failure..naturally..has a knock on affect to the lessor charges,..its worth also noticing the modus operanda..that saw either the mother..[or the child]..on the stand for 3 days also standard in child-molestaion cases..[its like getting raped for 3 days,by lawyers protecting filth]

its becomming clear that jackson died from a drug/overdose..[adverse reaction to perscribed drugs..[this is the cause of death..to over 3 fully loaded jumbo jets..[equivent ]..of americans EVERYDAY dying...

jacksons lawyer says if this proves the case..he wont remain silent[but that only means he will have an accident..[like that washington madam going to expose the perverts in washington]...anyhow percsription drugs are a hidden evil..[if this is the case,of micheal dying of drugs..that changes his after/death prophile a bit..

our addictions transphere to the next realm..[but there aint any drugs there]..michael used it for pain relief..[thus..as there is no pain in the higher realms,..he may be pain free..[but if he hurt any child he wont be..

its complicated stuff this after life stuff..but they dont need trials[we get tested...those not clearly innocent..in the astral plains...but the usual thing..is for child perverts to go straight to hell..

[and the true child servers[like you]..to go straight to the heavens]..but i write this more for others..that hurt children..as warning..that they cant say they wernt told

I got a really good point by point answer to a letter I wrote the Ombudsmans office NSW. But I need help understanding it. This will take a few posts:

Thank you for your concerns regarding the way in which services are monitored. As you are aware the Community Services Division of the NSW Ombudsman is an oversight body which has the power to conduct inquires or investigations into NSW government departments such as DoCS, DADHC and those services which are funded by those departments DoCS and DADHC.

There are a number of guiding principles that we work towards in our dealing with complaints and like the Children’s Guardian one of our key focuses is to ensure the best outcome for the client or service receivers.

When we receive a complaint we generally give an agency the opportunity of dealing with the matter internally before we get involved. This is of course unless we deem that the matter is so serious, or is part of a systemic pattern, and we investigate ourselves or forward it to another agency to investigate.

I would like to deal with your inquiry in relation to the specific you have raised. You will of course appreciate that no actual case can be discussed.

1. No recourse – duty of care
Let me assure you that this office does track the pattern of complaints received against a service, including the NGO’s. Once a pattern has been established or identified we work with the senior officer of the agency to formulate how the identified problems might be resolved and how, through training or different work practices, they might be avoided in the future.

If a service such as DoCS or DADHC do not accept our recommendations and demonstrate an unwillingness to change or train their staff in the areas identified then the matter is escalated to the Ministerial level and could be addressed in Parliament.

1. Return of complaints to DoCS – Local Offices
As I have stated above we generally allow a service or organisation to deal with their complaints internally prior to our involvement. In the Community Service Division we are governed not only by the Ombudsman Act but also by the Community Service (Compliant, Review and Monitoring) Act which is known as CS-CRAMA. Under CS-CRAMA there is a requirement that we look to resolve complaints rather than take other action. So in line with that we do send a lot of complaints back to a service with a view to resolving them. These complaints do generally go through a chain of command to the local offices that have the responsibility of meeting with and dealing with the complainant. Once the agency has met with the complainant they have a responsibility under CS CRAMA to report back to us on the result of the resolution. We then generally contact the complainant to ensure the matters have been dealt with appropriately.

If we find that the matters have not been able to be resolved we look at the issues and again contact the complainant and assess if further steps should or could have been taken. If we deem that a service or NGO have exhausted their attempts to resolve the issues and we are satisfied that the issue does not form part of a greater systemic problem we might write to a complainant and still close the complaint.

For those complainants that fall into the serious or systemic category we may carry out our own investigation or in the case of an agency direct them to carry out an investigation along the lines as dictated by us. Prior to the commencement of the investigation the agency is required to provide us with a plan of action as to who, when and how then intend to proceed and we then set agreed time frames. Without going too far into this, there are requirements that must be met and if they are not then we re-assess the matter as to whether we directly involve ourselves inthematterornot.

1. Accumulation of complaints – Various locations.
I stated briefly above we do track not only by number but also by class and kind complaints received about an agency. We have a Systemic Review unit within this office and if an area of concern is identified then we may meet with the agency to discuss how the systemic issues can be resolved. We speak to the service/NGO about their policies, practices and procedures, so as to ensure the mechanisms are there upon which change can be made (if required or identified).

2. Life Without Barriers – Multiple complaints
I do not intend to discuss the number of complaints that a service or NGO has. It is suffice to say that any large organisation that works with people is subjected to complaints. The Ombudsman’s Office is working in the areas stated above not only with LWB but a number of services to minimise, identify and resolve the complaints. We offer advice and training in a range of areas to enhance the skills of those services and also ensure that the services themselves have minimum standards in a wide range of areas when they are dealing with individuals in their system.

3. Do you (Ombudsman Office) take accreditation away
No. This office has no authority to remove an agency’s accreditation.

4. Multiple complaints against an agency regarding foster children
This office also has a Child Protection Division who specifically look at incident of abuse against children that are under the responsibility of a service or an organisation that is funded, accredited or licensed by a service. In looking at the complaints that stem from this area we look at the individual carers as well as how they were assessed to be carers in the first instance. We look at a service’s screening and training program as well as their on going monitoring of those people who are in care.

For your information we are currently conducting an ‘in care review’ which will give us an indication of how services carry out their responsibilities in regard to care receivers. We do this type of work regularly not only in the area of Foster Caring but also in the Disability and Aged care sectors.

Again thank you for your concerns and I hope this has assisted you in obtaining a better understanding of our role as an Ombudsman

its not complicated they say we study paterns..<<..Once a pattern has been established or identified..we work with the senior officer of the agency..to formulate how the identified problems might be resolved and how,...through training or different work practices..>>i thats all we do

<<If a service..do not accept our recommendations..and..demonstrate an unwillingness to change or train..then the matter is escalated to the Ministerial level and could be addressed in Parliament.>>so the minester can <..MAYBE chance a law..[not proicute any individual]..no-one does prosocution..it seems

its a classic case of a toothless oversight body..looking at the big picture..[not individual cases]w..ho deal with problems by/via..a<<..number of guiding principles..that we work towards in our dealing with..complaints>>..by quoting revising and negotiating specific principles..over generalised problems

they dont investigate/nor prosicute..they<<..to deal with your[PROBLEM by turning it into an]..inquiry..in relation to the specific you have raised.>>>that then get filed no doudt under ngo/incident type and be forgotten

<<You will of course appreciate..that no actual case can be discussed.>>>..saying unspoken..we know the ngo's certainly appriciate our policy/methods..and are concerned only re generalities[doing nothing specificly..

[except..<<we deem that a service or NGO have exhausted their attempts to resolve the issues..and we are satisfied that the issue does not form part of a greater systemic problem..we might write to a complainant and still close the complaint.>>...you got your letter [complaint closed]

ok thats about all that was said..[i will now repeat it three times..so you get a bulky letter and hopefully give up reading it..and go away...

i think thats what its saying..lets hear what others think

we..track..only..by number..by class and kind [of]..complaints received about an agency.

We have a Systemic Review unit within this office [only]

and if an..area of concern...is identified
then we...may meet..[with the agency].. to discuss

how the..systemic issues..can be resolved.

We speak to the service/NGO about their policies,
we speak to agencies about their practices and procedures,

so as to ensure the mechanisms are[or appear to be] there upon which change [to policies /practices and procedures]..can be made(if required or identified).

2. Life Without Barriers – Multiple complaints
I do not intend...CANNOT}..discuss the number of complaints that a service or NGO has.

It is suffice to say that any large organisation that works with people is subjected to complaints...[who simply get colated to refine policy]

The Ombudsman’s Office is working...a number of services to minimise, identify and resolve the complaints.

We offer advice and training...of those services and also ensure that the services themselves have minimum standards...

Child Protection Division who specifically look at incident of abuse against children...that are under the responsibility of a service or an organisation that is funded, accredited or licensed by a service.

In looking at the complaints that stem from this area...we look at the individual carers..as well as how they were assessed to be carers in the first instance.

We look at a service’s screening and training program