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Car manufacturers got themselves to blame?.

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Australian car manufacturers will cop what they deserve for not producing smaller cars. Holden says that they will start assembling a small car, but it's too late in my view.

Japan, and now Korea have the market sewn up.
Posted by Leigh, Monday, 1 June 2009 5:49:04 PM
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No brainer.

YES
Posted by renew, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 10:28:25 AM
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So true
GM built and tested a fleet of electric cars and them promptly crushed all of them.
However contrary to a previous comment Margret Thatcher supported British Leyland and within a decade all was lost, leading to severe deprivation for many working class families.

It is this deprivation that governments are trying to avoid albeit miserably.
Instead of bailing out car manufacturers what was needed was a multi- billion dollar prepaid order for a better product.
The reality is that the private motor vehicle is a social toy and in fact not a necessity but a luxury that the world the people and the planet can not afford.
Posted by beefyboy, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 10:38:05 AM
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beefboy [re your revelation re the electric[elect-trick-car]..little discussed is govt gave gm a 50.000 subsidy for each hummer to drop the electrick car..such is the power of lobby..the story is at youtube

trouble is this old gm isnt the new gm...who gets the rights to all that electric stuff[who now owns the research[and patents gm bought up..see this shuffle neatly allows that stuff to disappear]..the pension/health obligation's of old gm is now a 25 percent shaRE IN THE NEW GM...but wait till the carbon tax rebuilds the neww gm[now presumable 75 percent owned by us govt]

the numbers dont add up, gm creditors were offered 85 billion to drop their claim of tens of billions[that now allows this govt bailout plan to proceed...there is a lot of stuff not being disclosed here

our govt for egsample has a huge intrest in keeping the fuel tax on petro[its thus unlikely to forgo this huge tax take cow to pay any vehicle producer to go petrol free]...

no one is talking about in car hydrogen creation from water..[allowing the current vehicles to drive on hydrogen gas..[MADE in the bakalight carburetor with a few anodes and cathods in the float bowl//[or the joe cell making hho gas that implodes inside the petro engine..meaning the piston ignites to create a vacume[all thats needed is to ignite on the up stroke..not the down stroke[25 degrees advance of its timming

but there too much special intrest all round...from those needing the new carbon tax credits..[to those holding the exclusive rights and refining[as well as govt collecting tax on fuel;..we are all being conned[it cant cost double to put in an electric moter
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 11:12:36 AM
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The motor companies have no one but themselves to blame.
They like the politicians simply could not believe the writing on the wall.
Even now they don't really believe it.
The customer also in the US doesn't believe that there is a looming
fuel problem that will force small cars upon them.
In an interview on ABC this morning an American manager of GM was
saying that they are still building the gas guzzlers because that is
what the customers are buying !
They have wasted their design and manufacturing capital on yesterday's
dynasaurs.

If there were any brains in the US government they would commission
the now abandoned GM factories to manufacture rail cars for a
refurbished passenger system.
The high speed rail system that Obama has proposed will cost more
money than they have and will take too long.
The high speed system will require entirely new right of way
whereas a modern passenger system can be recovered from all the
abandoned rights of way that still exist.

The same applies in Australia, many of the old branch line right of
ways are still there and some are only used at harvest time.
Do our politicians see the need ? No, they shove more money into
motorways which will be finished just in time not to need them.

I could spit chips !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 4:53:41 PM
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It’s not the roadways that are the problem, it’s the vehicles we use them for.
At the time of the oil-embargo in the 70’s some wiser heads were calling for more efficient cars and alternative-powered motors, and the industry laughed!
Their answer was more oil exploration, which reminds me, just exactly why does the gov’ subsidise this? Surely the obscene profits require no assistance?
We can blame the consumer, and don’t they just love to do that, but unless they have choices, they can’t choose, can they?
The writing WAS on the wall, so they re-painted the wall!
Posted by Maximillion, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 11:56:56 AM
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