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FREEDOM OF SPEECH

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Bugsy, in reference to A NON-FARMER's post of Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 10:20:19 PM, says:

"Gee, you sure know how to spit a dummy."

Try reading a little more widely on OLO, Bugsy, before attempting a probably intendedly humorous, but nevertheless cheap, shot like that. Here is a real dummy-spit by A NON-FARMER in a place where it just might (one day) count. See: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8946#141976

I am not seeking to divert a General Discussion topic to the comments upon an OLO Article (although such is not against OLO Forum rules), but to highlight an aspect of the very thing A NON-FARMER has raised in this topic, that of "fallback from discourse and fair comment" due to shouting-down and topic diversion.

In the post to which I have supplied a link A NON-FARMER makes this statement:

"What scares most off from making product is the total refusal of banks to finance projects and the total refusal of ‘governance’ to abide by their own rules of engagement purportedly supporting OzIndustry in its vain attempts to get the job done."

I would have thought that this seemingly correct observation might become a start-point for some productive speculation as to why this problem exists, with progression from that to some inventive but sound proposals for overcoming the problem. Such discussion seems not to be occurring very much elsewhere in public debate.

There has in recent years been a bumper-sticker saying around to this effect: "Buy Australian. Buy your kids (grandchildren?) a job." It seems there is less and less 'Australian' that can be bought as time goes by. How then to buy those kids (and grandchildren) jobs? What is it that has not been being said, discussed, debated, decided, that has prevented a productive outcome arising from this otherwise seemingly commendable recommendation?

I suspect that a lot of it has to do with 'governance' operating to double standards. Has the real purpose of 'governance' been to put Australian-owned business out of business?
Posted by Forrest Gumpp, Monday, 25 May 2009 10:34:17 AM
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I have read more widely Forrest, that's why I said it.
Posted by Bugsy, Monday, 25 May 2009 1:52:14 PM
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Agreed Bugsy/Jewels.

You WILL get punters on this topic N-F, but you HAVE put it up because of your annoyance at not being agreed with, or not having enough responses to your topics.
Posted by Ginx, Monday, 25 May 2009 2:12:54 PM
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NF

Have to agree with Bugsy/Jewely/Ginx, you are a tad abrasive. Having started a number of discussions myself I know to expect massive disagreement with my POV and not a little flaming. It is part of the forum experience, besides who wants a thread where everyone agrees with you - you'd never learn anything. That's the entire point of Freedom of Speech - the distillation of a variety of ideas, often we start out from different positions only to find that we are arguing for the same result but from different angles.

Forrest - I do share you concern over the process of extermination of small business that is the apparent goal of government/big corporations. But I posted a couple of reasonable posts on NF's threads and all I got back was whingeing.
Posted by Fractelle, Monday, 25 May 2009 2:43:03 PM
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Okay all,
Have you read about the Australian Press Council’s valid concerns about freedom of the press?
Would you find it paradoxical that when contacted about public interest issues the press refuse to publish in case they’re taken to court?

To make sure of my ground I contacted the press council.
Indeed, their very existence amounts to maintaining what they may of free speech.
I was informed that the ‘Common Law’ – judge made law – is, rightly so, their standard;
as also appears the situation applying within these forums.
One element of this is that ‘the editor’ has a right to decide what is published.

There is though, the angle of public interest where a certain amount of moral pressure may be applied.
Then there is the ABC – apparently a law unto itself.

I am simply trying to apply that pressure here in the absence of any care being displayed by the traditional media.
In the course of that I might choose to spit the dummy; or in the eyes of some, appear to do so.
I might not get the message across to some for some reason or other. (Did I suggest that might not be entirely my fault?)
I might actually have to be circumspect about, say, naming names – for if I don’t that may well cause my item to be rejected by the moderator.

On the other hand I refuse to froth at the mouth simply because I can, from the safety of distance, behind a computer monitor.
Now, forgive me, my frothing at the mouth is usually about what I see emerging in Australia –
An acceleration of the collapse of governance leading to increasingly arbitrary decisionmaking – with such decisions leading to the enforced detriment of increasing numbers of our population – such decisions being made by government employees, themselves increasingly marginalized by a system that gives them no other choice other than do what we, the Masters, say or face the sack.
Oh and freedom of speech might tend to appear as whingeing. Nyet?

That isn’t too difficult, is it
Posted by A NON FARMER, Monday, 25 May 2009 3:14:50 PM
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What, exactly, "isn't too difficult"?. That's a lot of words with no great sense of direction there. If you are going to have a bit of a rant about the nature of the responses you get from an internet forum, perhaps you should lurk more instead of making several threads about roughly the same idea. We get enough of that from the fundies.

Reading some of your more exasperated posts, I just have one piece of advice for you: don't let OUG get you down. You probably think that he's some sort of fundie nutter that's very bad at English, when in fact he's just a self-medicating pot farmer, that's very bad at English. Once you realise that these sort of people exist and can be at the other end of your terminal, you can safely ignore them and go about your usually civil self. Just don't treat everyone like that or you'll just get more back in kind.
Posted by Bugsy, Monday, 25 May 2009 3:36:50 PM
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