Belly, you said
Both you and rechtub however, Have Not Once Drawn a line between fraud and honest injured victims.
Not Once.
Try these!

1.My point is that it is unlikely that a worker will be denied compo if it is an open and shut case. Care to respond?

2.If you wish to point the finger, or lay blame, blame the countless number off compo cheats, as it is they who have made compo what it is today Did I say ALL WORKERS?

3.f WC had not been ripped off by so many fraudsters for so many years it would most likely be a resonable system.

4.Quite simply it is there as a safety net so as an employee, if genuinely injured at work, can get some financial assistance while they are in recovery. Note the word GENUINELY?

5.If on the other hand they are seriously injured, then they make a civil claim for damages and must prove their case. Again, blame the rip offs for years, not the WC or employers. Again, Not EVERYONE!

And this, do not measure workers comp by the fraud, think of the true victims.
Now this is the very reson why WC is in the state it's in today. Fraurd.

Belly
A farmer some place in this country in the next few weeks will have a tractor roll on him,
Most farmers have private insurance. perhaps you meant a farm worker?

a truck driver will die in his office the cab of his truck before months end.

Many truck accidents are contributed to by over tiered drivers, cheating the system. Care to defend these union members, or are they a protected spiecies?

At no time have I said that ALL WORKERS ARE COMO CHEATS, it is just that once backed into a corner your type look for ways out.
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Continued
and for the record, I do not hate unions, nor do I think that they are not important. All I ever ask for is fairness, both ways.

Jobs are about to go, pay rates are about to slow, all becasue demand is dropping.

If you are truely independant and honest, you will acknowledge that and let it be.

Finnally, I like the suggestion that workers be paid extra and then take out thier own insurance. Now if they choose to WASTE THE MONEY, rather than insure themselves, then tough! At least my premiums won't increase if they make a claim on thier own policy. Thier's may though which may well force them to reconsider that fraudulent or silly claim.

Gee I wish 'facts' wouldn't put an end to threads.

The old 'don't let the truth get in the way of a good story hey'!

The fact is that WC was a system set up to provide assistance for injured workers. It was never meant to be an income replacement scheem. That is what income protection insurance is for.

It was funded wholey by employers yet rapped for years by the cheating and scamming employees and that group are now crying foul. (not all employees are cheats of cause)

Just think of the million of dollars spent on legal fees fighting and defending these cases of WC fraud.

The point is, that like most things that are funded by someone other than the beneficiaries, a certain portion of these beneficiaries can't help themselves and proceed to rape the system for what ever they can get.

Just take a look at the security required in order to protect public property from thieves. Everything from roadside fence pannels to batteries from machinary are stolen if not bolted down, even then some of them find a way.

The fact remains that WC is what it is through little fault of the employers. Some of the employees own members wrecked it, so let them fix it.

One faulse claim back in the 90's cost me in excess of $20,000 through legal fees and increased premiums and I was innocent!

The guy was pissed, fell over and though he would blame someone else.

By the way, I didn't get my 200% fee increase on my premium refunded either.

rechtub I am sorry.
But your self assurance is miss placed.
Facts did not drive me from this debate.
You never backed me into a corner.
Your remarks about poor dead Bernie underlined in my mind you do not know the whole story.
And that you do not want to.
I laugh sometimes at the anti worker themes in your posts.
And wait endlessly for you to focus on true fraud, the fraud that crippled our way of life, big business fraud.
Billions trillions stolen, and you focus on alleged fraud, yesterdays fraud in workers comp.
the system is in ruins, workers sometimes the very best, are dumped on us all as WC is gutted.
Social Security is poor reward for those permanently unable to work ,no fault of their own rechtub.
I will not ever leave debate with you tail between my legs,I leave because we will never get a resolution, you with one eyed thoughts of how it was me concerned with how it should be.

Dear Belly,

I can't understand why some people have to
tear things down. Why they can't look at life
with hope, instead they have to bring a
negative fear into everything. We've got
so much to really be grateful for in this
country. We've got a National Health Insurance
Scheme, an Aged Pension, a Racial Discrimination
Act, Workers Compensation, and much more.

Things arent' perfect, but overall - we're indeed
lucky!

cont'd

Henry Lawson sums it up beautifully in his poem,
and I quote:

Too old to rat!

"I don't care if the cause be wrong,
Or if the cause be right,
I've had my day and sung my song,
And fought the bitter fight.
In truth, at times I can't tell what
The men are driving at;
But I've been Union thirty years,
And I'm too old to rat.

Maybe, at times in those old days
Remembered now by few,
We did bite off in various ways
Much more than we could chew -
We paid, in sodden strikers' camps,
Upon the black-soil flat;
We paid, in long and hungry tramps -
And I'm too old to rat.

The Queensland strike in 'Eighty-nine
And 'Ninety's gloomy days -
The day the opera comp'ny sang
For us the 'Marseillaise';
The sea of faces stern and set,
The waiting 'bitter cup,'
The hopeless hearts, unbeaten yet,
The storm cloud rushing up.

The fighting, dying 'Boomerang'
Against the daily Press;
The infant 'Worker' holding out;
The families in distress;
The sudden tears of beaten men -
Oh! you remember that!
And memories that make my pen
Not worth its while to rat.

I've wept with them in strikers' camps
Where shivered man and beast;
I've worn since then the badge of men
Of Hell! - and London East!
White faces by the flaring torch!
Wraith wives! - the slaves of Fat!
And ragged children in the rain -
Yes! I'm too old to rat!"
-Henry Lawson.

He knew about workers' problems.