Dear Antonios,

You might find the following website of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotism

It's a comprehensive article on the meaning of
Patriotism. And gives a few examples of patriots.

It may help answer some of your questions.

Ah, I finally get it Foxy. So you're allowed to insult people as long as you do it in a round about way and use 'polite' language. I'm learning about OLO all the time, using my slightly less than basic capability of reason that is.

examinator I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. I held a mirror up to you and you refused to look into it. How you can look at your caricature of the average patriot and not see it as a extremely patronising, derogatory and negative/unfair generalisation I'll never know.

I've met some quite nice partiotic people myself, who aren't 'petty opinionated dictator's, who don't 'dominate' their partners, do not have 'messianic complexes' and don't need to be part of the mass to validate their very existance.

Dear Houellebecq,

No. You don't get it.

I don't think you ever will especially as you
seem to feel that asking for discussions without
stooping down to insults is being 'patronising.'

It's allright for you to make swipes at people
but when they come back with appropriate retorts -
that you find 'insulting.' A bit one-sided.

Also, when things are explained politely you feel
that is being 'arrogant.'

Instead of suggesting mirrors to others, you'd best
hold one up to yourself especially as you seem eager
to learn something from posting on OLO.

"What's he got that I haven't?"

"Awareness!"

"What's that?"

Dear Foxy

On the topic of jingoism.

You do realise you are guilty of expressing an opinion while being female? Therefore, Houellebecq, is justified that all his posts to female contributers on OLO are nothing more than "lighthearted jibes".

And as for those 'nancy boys' who actually discuss issues WITH women and point out to the 'B & T's' that their comments are insulting; well they are just 'pussy-whipped'.

Cheers m'dear

Hahaha Foxy,

The point isn't whether I find it insulting, as I'm not the one calling for 'not stooping to any put-downs or insults', 'good manners, and
courtesy'. I see you and examinator constantly calling for all this, and then just engaging in the same behaviour as Col, just in a more cowardly, roundabout like way. Encouraging the likes of CJ (living by vicariuos putdowns of the 'bad' people, where you don't have to get your hands dirty, 'Oh Cj, Oh I know you shouldn't, but good on you 'ol chap), and partaking in sly little conversations about others between yourselves, and then standing up for your high and mighty 'principles' when castigating people like Col for their posting style.

Well, I'd much rather be stabbed roughly in the front, eye to eye, than stabbed smoothly in the back by someone being cheered on by the self appointed OLO 'politeness' police.

So many topics you and your cronies hand out your solutions to all 'those' people in the world with a problem (patriots for example), attempting to educate the poor souls where you can, so that one day the world may live up to your expectations and people would all be, well, nice, like you. And you should educate them too. Education is the key! (How many times do we hear that)

BTW: Why did you put arrogant in quotes? I never used the term. Also I used 'partonising' in a totally different context. i.e examinator patronising his pigeon holed patriots.

Ah it's so sweet that you have Foxy's back Fractelle. You go girls!

For someone who complains on another thread about gender wars, you seem very interested in putting things in gender terms. Or did you just want to come back and round up a posse of 'sisters' to help you over here now that you've laid down your rules in the other thread and people are, OMG, ignoring them.

So why do you think if I argue with foxy, it's because she is a woman? is examinator a woman? is Col a woman? I seem to remember geeing him up constantly about Margaret. Or maybe you just think I should relate differently to posters if they're female?