fractelle.."Col Rouge?, I think what you have described there is a prime example of Blind Patriotism. Can't see the herd for the cows... so to speak. "

maybe you would care to elaborate on that point fractelle,

because I am quite happy to elaborate on any aspect of my post needed for you to understand what I mean...

be it wood for trees,
herd for cows or simply
lefties for slime ... I can see it ...

maybe I just need to "word down" sufficiently for you to understand

Fractelle, Foxy,
Tis is way off topic but no one's looking.
I’m sorry to disappoint you Foxy but Col’s unique rationale at times is so titter and bwisted as to defy rational interpretation. I would have thought he was referring to the way makes a fuss (slags off) all (those who display some sense of humanity or see the world in shades of white to grey respond) gather like a herd of cows. This giving him a sense of control/superiority. A bit like the boy who cried wolf finding the way good people respond entertaining. Remember his comments in the post about “decency rules” and how continued to bait, (His quote “I am enjoying this topic” ask your self why. Fractelle you expressed the rational response to criticism.

He reminds me of my recently late father in law, a man of few words all of which he considered law, unassailable. He too derided people who achieved or had done more than he. In reality his words were loaded with responsive emotional constipation, pain, regret for opportunities to do something more, a marriage that all but failed and three daughters that were ‘distant’ also living in far flung states. Even in his last year after his ‘slave’ wife died (left him) his nun daughter had to leave for her own health (stress). On his death bed and subsequent funeral only his daughters came. He was 85. To my shame I gave up on him years ago.
While not absolutely applicable it does suggest a flavour.

But as I have said before OLO is not the place to resolve personal issues. This is a chat site personal issues need to be in that context.

Both of you not surprisingly, grasp the salient issue (Col had little bearing on it). I have observed that there are many posters on both sides whose differing definitions of patriotism and jingoism confuse an issue. I hoped it would clarify what each side meant as a basis for discussion as I too wonder what motivates excesses. (am I allowed to say that without appearing pompous?)

Dear examinator,

Thanks for your insightful observations, and
for being so open and honest. As well as patient
with us for going off topic. My apologies.

Fractelle did put it rather well. She always does.
However, I am beginning to realize that you can't
possibly have a discussion with someone who considers
insults to be a legitimate part of a debate.

I would like to see Col go for at least one week,
in any discussion on this Forum without insults.

The way he's headed though, - if he keeps it up,
I suspect that it won't be long before he gets banned.

I've found a vid on YouTube of Col discussing patriotic matters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOhXpmozpbE

I think that Britain needs him more than we do.

Go home, Col. You don't belong here.

Foxy,
I dont mind going off topic I'm not *that* rigid. I make that point regularly to signal to other posters interested in the topic that this is a diversion and perhaps skip it if they want to follow the original thread. Still trying to be helpful....Eeeech :-)

CJ,
You're a little harsh, I don't see his jingoistic mother England stance all that much although it does make discussions with him difficult. Clearly it isn't valid discussion in my mind either but that is his right
The only thing everyone (including me) seems to object to his is unwillingness to discuss without insult and abuse. We *do* have the *right* to be treated with respect and to demand hec leans up his game.

Examinator "Tis is way off topic but no one's looking."

(Yes they are)

“But as I have said before OLO is not the place to resolve personal issues.”

And

“He reminds me of my recently late father in law”

Your right Examinator, you are off topic, making excursions to post ad hominines, nothing surprising in that, the typical hypocrisy of someone who wants to change the rules and decide what others are allowed to post but who then ignores the rules when it suits you.

Foxy “I would like to see Col go for at least one week,
in any discussion on this Forum without insults.”

You must suggest similar to CJMoron or would you prefer me to observe the crass hypocrisy of your suggestion.

This is simple, when the swill stop hurling, I will stop throwing it back at them (with better aim).

CJMoron “Go home, Col. You don't belong here.”

I do…. Citizen since 1989, taxpayer and member of the compulsory voting roll since 1983 (when I arrived)

The difference between you and me… I applied and was chosen to come here after leaping the bar of acceptance criteria.

You are here the consequence of indiscriminate fornication.

As to Alf Garnett… the hair under the nose and the lack of hair on the head are two points of difference .. the pipe… no … the vocabulary certainly not… the height… nothing like… of course, he might be mistaken for your mother… or sister… and as always there are some points in common

First: Warren Mitchell is Jewish and I have some Jewish great grandmothers in my family lineage

Second Warren Mitchell also applied and was accepted for migration to Australia.

I suppose you will demand he too should “go home”

You nasty little racist.