*My point was that people *do* want production line work. *

So you claim. Yet meatworks in just about every state have to
hire foreigners on 457 visas, as not enough Aussies are
interested. Queensland, South Australia, NSW.

Now tell me how Australian consumers will benefit, if say
you insist that we make Australian toasters here. High
wages here, plus monopoly supply by limited companies, will
simply make Australian toasters incredibly expensive, workers
being the losers, for they are consumers too.

*Your super fund bit is not quite accurate they are bit players in multi nationals.*

Not really. Workers have over a trillion in super, mostly in the
share market. The ASX is worth about the same. Foreign super funds
have a stake too.

*who makes most of the profit, the mega-corps Coles, Woollies etc.*

Nope, the problem is very high costs all the way. Coles is basically
owned by 400'000 mum and dad investors, with super funds dominating
above them. Goyder does not blink without checking with the super
funds. Spend 100$ at Coles, profit is around 2$, costs around 32$.
All that data is available in their annual report. I know, I am
one of those 400'000 lol.

*Capital investors of which super fund are small beer.*

Not so, today you have American, European, Japanese, Australian
super funds. They dominate the market.

*Part of the financial problem today is because net lending countries like China have flooded the west with capital causing the credit bubble.*

That is correct. China might find that all those US$ she wants to
hoard, will be inflated away over time and worth not much in the
longer term. That is why China is now changing tack and wants to
buy resources, like Rio Tinto etc.

*My argument was that your assertions were based on*

What you think that I think and what I actually think,
might be quite different.

My point on this thread is that tariff barriers don't
solve anything and consumers are the losers. Given that
most people want a higher standard of living and not a lower
one. .

I think that every country should be allowed to balance imports with exports otherwise the weaker countries go into too much debt.Both here and the US we have borrowed to pay for consumerables with no real productivity to back it up.

We also need diversity in our economy and this give us something to fall back on in tough times such as these.The service industries collapse very quickly while those industries that produce basic necessities will not.

Examinator ,
Of course people want jobs, especially in the regional areas.

As for Drs and Nurse Shortage we mainly have State Governments and the National Party to blame in those areas.

For the last thirty years or more we have engaged most of our public Drs through a company called Global in is Salt Lake City.

Speaking of the old boys National Club, it was amusing watching their great leader Warren Truss today complaining in Parliament that 81 million dollars went to recipience to people living overseas.

It was then exposed that ‘ he’ Truss was the one who originally arranged originally.

Yabby
I agree a bit of hard times might be just what we need. Tell you what if your claim had any substance before it`s certainly about to change in the next few years.

People will be fighting for those jobs at meat works that you have old always claimed were impossible to fill.
You see Examinator our old buddy here has blamed Aboriginals, Drugs, Grog, +just plain dole bludgers in the past for lack of available staff to operate plants:

What was the other one Yabby`` oh that’s right mental illness.:)
In fact none of the above were the main reason for the shortage he speaks of.

Space considered I would like to discuss that later.

It has never sense not to do our own value adding.
After all why do you think these people want to buy our raw material – JOBS .

They buy our jobs to value add and sell back to us at a profit.

So we need to take a closer look at why there is such massive erosion of value adding in Australian employment opportunities given to overseas countries.

Continued

The countries importing Australian
jobs away from our regional and city
areas are as I said only really interested
In capturing the jobs, employment, value
adding at their end:

They engage in 'strategic measures'
in the form of tariff escalation and
Non tariff barriers, to encourage it.

This enables them to do what we should
should be doing here in Australia.
They open manufacturing and processing
Industries, based on imports of raw materials.



Kerry Packer for just as one example was
If nothing else a good example of
This as a savvy biz man.

He had such power with
the media and a fortune he got away with it.

Kerry purchased abattoirs across Australia.
He even made regular trips to the
towns and did the smartest thing of 'all'

. He formed bonds with farmers at
grass root levels knowing their loyalty.
He gained their confidence and by doing so
* he assured his supply of stock.*

Not just Kerry but
A few select others.

(Those who had pots of money really)

Country towns benefited as people came to town chasing a job home and better life style for their kids. Many settle down and even took out mortgages to buy a house work and raise their family.

Some of those same towns right across Australia are now ghost towns.

It turned out these tall poppies found an even better way to make a quid. So they closed the plants putting thousands of people out of work and unable to send their kids to school or pay their mortgages.

You see the owners had IMO ‘Pre Planned ‘to establish supply ‘ first’ and then ‘divert’ into an easier living.
They decided it was easier to make their billions through’ trade dollars.’

I think what *really hurt some of the country people were the fact after the Abattoirs were closed they were then written off as tax losses.

A bitter pill indeed for many.
So what continues to drive the trade?
Why are we STILL giving our jobs to overseas?
Who’s behind this madness?

TO Be Continued

david f examinator,

So why bother opening a thread asking for comments. Its pretty clear you dont really want to know how trade barriers effect Australia and why they were put in place.

Pretty rude.

u2 Yabby