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Posted by Handofgod, Tuesday, 14 November 2006 12:18:55 PM
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I dont believe you have a birth right to spread superstition. You have not offered absolute proof of god so what exactly is your motives then considering you are the one speaking as/for god?
Posted by West, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 10:54:20 AM
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Dear Moses.
I don't think you need to 'promote' your church. but there are a number of points which should be considered. 1/ I note you are requesting donations/assistance. You should also indicate that you have an independant body, preferably an accountant who will make an annual report indicating all receipts and expenditures. All financian reports should be backed up with a bank statement. 2/ Healing. Our Lord never 'promoted' himself or had 'healing' meetings as such. He preached the Gospel,... and healed. We should never repeat never, advertise a 'healing' meeting. It should always be 'Gospel' or something like that. If, in the context of such a meeting, an opportunity is given for those wanted prayer for sickness, then thats ok. 3/ If such a meeting is held, it should be structured NOT to glorify any healing, but to Glorify our Lord and the Salvation found in Him. 4/ NEVER hold a healing meeting, where an offering/collection is done like Benny Hinz. I've seen him... talk so much about what God is going to do, then build people up... build up.. THEN.. announce a collection, even to the point of providing CREDIT card opportunities. He dangles the possibility of healing over people, who are then asked to 'give' and THEN they are prayed for. A Spirit filled church will grow by personal witness of its members who are faithful to that which Paul said in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 as your web site shows. cheers in Him. Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 7:01:55 PM
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HandofGod, much as it pains me I've got to agree with BD in his comments. (sob, sob, sob).
I'd add that when I see a church advertising itself as "Spirit Filled" I tend to think the exact opposite - the worst churches I've seen are the ones most likely to hang that kind of tag off themselves. If you actually are spirit filled a sign on your church won't convince people, your integrity honesty and love will be what does if anything. You and your people need to show by your lives that you have something that the rest of us don't. You could also spend some time around other threads using the "HandOfGod" tag rebukking BD for some of his more hateful posts (or let the spirit tell you where he lives and go visit him), he's in Victoria I think so it should not be far. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 8:26:32 PM
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To promote a god you have no proof of is simply morally wrong. Obviously if you have no actual proof of a god all you are misrepresenting fiction such as the Bible as reality based which is to con, mislead people in order to gain power over them. If a god wishes to speak let him do so , to quote occult literature such as the Bible as if it is anything other than a fairytale is making the claim that you yourself are god because you are the one speaking as God.
You desire to sell the word spirit. What exactly is spirit that you are an expert of? The problem that I see with using the commercial slogan "spirit filled church" is that to seek to convert peoples to a belief with no proof of god is immoral and a terrible thing to do because what is achieved is the manipulation of the delicate minded. Spirit is a phantasm of superstitious occult magic. Only those who are of delicate mind and of low intellectual capacity , that is only those who are psychologically vulnerable will be conned into believing in the superstition occult of spirit. To advertise a spirit filled church is really targeting people who need psychiatric help which is dangerous as we have witnessed by Churches up until 2006.The very same people who will be conned buy the occult belief in god are worst of not only because of the negative nature of Christianity but also because they too are victims of those who lead in the name of god who seek converts to believe in occult magic such as Jesus and prayer and other so they can be money farmed. Posted by West, Thursday, 16 November 2006 8:46:53 AM
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And if you do decide to hang around you'll have to get used to Westy's comments. Westy has much more that he wants to share with you. There have been theories about what it would take to hate Christianity that much but he hasn't owned up to anything so we don't know why.
Posted by mjpb, Thursday, 16 November 2006 9:20:07 AM
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War and Peace, Tolstoy,"If evil men can work together why not good men.
We face a future where religion is becoming more of an issue politically. Gone are the days of the British or more recently the American Empire. Today it is the religious empires that are more and more entering Politics. Australians after the First War had to face employment colums that read catholics only or Prodistants only. Today more and more it is Muslims only or Chistians only.So where is the new spirit. Posted by BROCK, Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:00:44 AM
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The spirit is the exclusionism foremost that the occult superstitions of Islam and Christianity preach. The spirit is secondly in the deciet that those who speak on a gods behalf have no god to confirm their words.
Posted by West, Thursday, 16 November 2006 11:30:44 AM
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West, you're on here sounding like a know-all, bullying standover merchant. Maybe that effect is just due to the unemotional internet medium and if we were speaking personally we'd see your facial expressions, hear your voice-tone and realise that you were just strongly making your point. I wonder!
I used to have a good friend who went around preaching atheism. I once called him the "Fred Nile of atheism", thinking he'd laugh, but he didn't. I was a bit surprised at that. If you read some of my posts, you will realise that I am a pro-choice person, who claims no particular religious affinity. But being pro-choice, I try to see it from both perspectives. Those with a religious/philosophical/spiritual belief have no proof which could satisfy impartial enquiry. And those apparently committed atheists [I hope that's a satisfactory term] like yourself also have no proof to support their assertions. You may say that you don't need proof, because your attitude is obviously correct. But that's what those on all sides of a contentious issue often say, isn't it? In regard to clever people automatically rejecting religious belief. I have a friend who is a Jehovah's Witness. He's a nice guy and so honest in business that, these days, he almost seems impossible. Another friend is a member of Hillsong. He's entrepreneurial, very successful, also honest and straightforward. If you considered doing business with him, you would have no reasonable grounds for complaint. I don't discuss religion with my excellent GP, but I have grounds for thinking that he too believes in God. I tend to think of those with degrees in theology as really having mythology and/or philosophy qualifications [hopefully comparative], but that's just my opinion, isn't it? As for those people who allegedly really need psychiatric assistance, church is really like a special interest social group. People join art appreciation societies, rock fan clubs, and become footy supporters for similar reasons. Maybe they all just need a psychiatrist! And churches, like any other organisation looking for a clientele, need to abide by the law and keep their finances transparent. Posted by Rex, Thursday, 16 November 2006 3:34:56 PM
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Rex I am not preaching Atheism ,I am talking about a cult that is highly exclusionary and seeks to control people. I am talking about a cult that interferes with the lives of those who do not share the same superstitious beliefs. I am talking about a cult which claims moral superiority yet is evil in both motivation, judgement and action. I am talking about a cult which worships death and seeks to forcefully convince others of its ridiculous beliefs to reinforce its self justification for superstition. I am talking about a cult whos beliefs have led to horror, witch burning, crusades, slavery, war, gratuitous laws, rape and torture, violence. I am talking about a cult which seeks political dominance to dictate its immoral and corrupt values onto the larger population. I am talking about a cult which has no proof of god yet claims everything from that gods deeds to that gods actions which means in essence that cult is a cult based on lies.
I am not talkinig about the multitude of beliefs that live and let live, I am not talking about your so called atheist friends who turned out to have been superstitious. I am not talking about the multitudes of Christians that wake up to the lie and become atheist. I am talking about a superstitious cult which seeks to control us. Posted by West, Friday, 17 November 2006 8:59:14 AM
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West I've been considering starting a thread to discuss the line between freedom of religion and freedom from religion.
Is your main concern that people choose to believe in those myths or that they then take that belief and try and force the consequences on those who don't share the belief? BD's approach to gay's living next door being a classic case of the kind of seriously warped thinking which abuse of freedom can lead to -http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=156#3008 Maybe you should start a thread on the topic, it seems to be a major issue for you. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Friday, 17 November 2006 9:24:49 AM
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R0bert what I am talking about is those who take their belief and try and force the consequences on those who don't share the belief.
I reject the notion in the case of Christianity, Islam , Fascism and Communism that there is a moral grounding in those beliefs and that there is an intrinsict justification for those beliefs to be so called "shared" or recruits or converts sought. If converts are sought the true motivation must be established that is the group wants power. A master race or salvation or economic equality has to have concrete justifications, in the case of superstition based ideologies proof of the magic must be produced. I am speaking here of ideology once it is outside of the door, in public , affecting others. Of course I dont care what people think in the privacy of their own mind. I look foward to your thread. Posted by West, Friday, 17 November 2006 10:05:15 AM
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Robert................a....greed....with ME?
*COLLAPSES* :) Onya Rex. Westy ? your digging ur own credibility grave mate.. I can't add to it :) Posted by BOAZ_David, Friday, 17 November 2006 1:23:54 PM
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Great Boaz, you are welcome to destroy my credibility and give yourself credibility which has been absent. If god exists and is not just a hysterical paranoid fantasy I surely would like to be aware of it. I would have then wasted a life not worshipping death, I would have wasted a life accepting people for who they are.
The only way my credibility will give is if you prove God exists. You can do so because surely you wouldnt make such outrages public claims of God without having complete and unarguable confirmation by that God himself. So go ahead and prove your god and his magical powers exist. To prove God exists is the only destruction of my credibility. To not prove God exists is the destruction of your credibility. You made the call. If you find that God does not exist and ergo you cannot prove him to exist, dont panic I will not judge you , I understand what superstition does to a person. Obviously I dont expect you to prove something that does not exist to exist. Your personal beliefs are your problem , the issue you run away from is what Christians make everybodies problem. Posted by West, Saturday, 18 November 2006 8:55:06 AM
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Check out the following:
Francis Frangipane, The Stronghold of God; Mary Baxter's books. I'll get back to you about some recent visitations on churches by the Holy Spirit. Some minimum requirements of course, you have to be following the word of God in the Bible. Collective praying according to God's Word also helps, asking for help from the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ. There is a video which shows by sound a visitation by the person of the Holy Spirit in an area beset by sexual abuse (more human to human violence). I'll look up the reference. There have been many instances of visitations in the past two centuries,as noted in the same video. Also, test the spirits. Not all are from God, as you know. Do you also know of prayer warfare -- I believe books by C. Peter Wagner. God bless you. Posted by Hawaiilawyer, Sunday, 19 November 2006 9:59:04 AM
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I rest my case :)
Posted by West, Sunday, 19 November 2006 11:51:04 AM
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Handofgod,
I imagine you are starting a new religion so you can take advantage of the generous tax breaks and government handouts. Very smart. I’ve been trying for years to do that. Let’s know if you’re successful. West… you talk a lot of sense, but keep it terse Rex… what’s that strange idea you have about financial accountability? That’s not the Australian way. The Catholic Church made a profit of $18,000,000.00 last year and they’re still demanding more financial assistance in Victoria. The other two big religions made untaxed profits in the billions and the rest are catching up fast. Not one cent of the profits from all their commercial interests, social networks, employment and opportunity shops is either taxed or accountable in any way. I look forward to every Australian being granted the status of a religion so we can all rip off the state. Choice in religion is not the issue, Robert. When religious dogmatists gain control of government and pass laws enforcing one religious belief, no one has any choice. Already the chaplains in Queensland are preaching creationism and kids who don’t attend are punished… Roll on the inquisition. Posted by ybgirp, Monday, 20 November 2006 10:37:42 AM
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church details on the website:http://www.handofgodchurch.org
God bless you all