Stephen Hawking along with other phyiscists have determined that space time and matter are totally interwoven.One affects the other.Gravity permeates all space.It is like a blanket that warps around matter and lays the path for our journey.If it had been a tad more powerful our present universe would not exist.Gravity is the handmaiden that defys the logic of physics.

According to the Big Bang theory the universe began 13.7 billion yrs ago,and space,time,energy and matter was smaller than an atom.The theory goes,that at the inception of the universe all energies united,ie electro magnetic,nuclear and gravity to produce the mother of all explosions.Part of Hadron Collider experiment was to determine the influence of sub atomic energy and the possibility of demensions of which we are unaware of.Hawking's theory of everything could have been substanciated,if post the collision of these particles in the Hadron Collider,some of the energy was lost to another dimension.[Physicists have postulated that there are 10 dimensions of alternate realities of which we are unaware of.]This would have explained the lapse in gravity's influence in relation to the other energy influnences.

Regardless of our ability to understand the concepts portrayed by the likes of Hawking,the ordinary reality that pervades our human condition makes us feel insignificant.We at the same time are free to determine our destinies.

One thing is sure,there is nothing ordinary about our universe.Perhaps we should aspire in kind.Merry Christmas.

Arjay “our human condition makes us feel insignificant. We at the same time are free to determine our destinies.”

I have never felt insignificant.

I have felt irrelevant at times, ignored and many times, just plain ‘wrong’ but in my small world (the one which exists only between my ears), not insignificant.

When young, I never realized the reward of parenthood was to see my daughters fly free and make their own ways in the world, another generation stepping forward into the future.

That might be all which defines my “significance” to everyone else but, to me, it is but a part.

May we always be free to determine our own destiny because

When we do not, there is no point and ‘insignificance’ is guaranteed.

Best wishes to you and yours for Christmas and 2009, Arjay.

we have no trouble believing science when it reveals an unseen by our personal senses range of vision[like uv or ultraviolet]nor of sounds abouve and below 'human hearing'

we cant see gravity[radiation,or the'wind'streaming from the sun]yet demand'proof'of their reality[it is interesting that science now admits the other realm[not dimentions]that co-egsist,unseen[unheard] unfelt

[yet is in denial that these realms are the'many rooms'jesus reveals our fathers house to have[loosly divided into the realms of light[heaven]and the realm of darkness[hell]we allow our perceptions into

one of the'science'theories even postulates that two realms collided to form this one[and still it is claimed no'proof'for their reality egsists]but they do[being that unseen unfelt via our present material senses,loosly caled'dark matter']but in reality mostly light

space is not empty[there is greater and lesser than this present reality'ho-ratio']
science is a mere novis in the study of these realms]the hard_ON collider is an attempt by those of the darkside to drop[smash]the'veil'betwixt'vile'and'live',little wonder it didnt get built'properly'[those of the dark side do sloppy works]

there is more those of the darkside[knowing of the'darkmatter'who think to reveal witness of their darkness,[they hope to realise hell here on earth],we live in precarious times[not that our spirits can be subverted unless we surrender to fear,hate or judgment]

yes space is not empty[but there is no such thing called space-time]god lives in real_time[this present'living'moment['spacetime'is a special term that has relitive meaning only at this time]

yes matter is interwoven[but what does that matter?when we are only able to vieuw one space[realm]at a time

think of the absurdity[logiclly]of all matter being the size of a dot[by what manner does its'relitive'material'measure'applie?

[in the beginning was the dark void,then with a bang satan fell into HIS realm[the pit]

thus at the end there[SEEMINGLY] will be the dark void[just as those who now are unable to see that which we know is not able to be seen/heard /felt]

yet its unseen void'contains the vast majority of'reality'simply being that it allways was[timeless continuence]

its all relitive

Arjay
Perhaps it's just as well we do not have a "theory of everything" just yet - if we did, then what would be the point? However, that is not stopping physicists and mathematicians from looking.

In the scheme of things (space and time) I too think we on this lump of rock buried in the vast cosmos is insignificant. But I agree with Col, in our own mind - we are not. Otherwise, again ... what would be the point.

Have a safe and happy one Arjay.

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Col, merry Xmas (again) to you and yours from me and mine - you grumpy old huff-n-puffer.

Strangely enough, though I struggle my entire life with feelings of self-worth and significance, the thought of space has the opposite effect.

The more vast and unknowable and strangely beautiful our cosmos is revealed to be, the more excited and part-of-something-great I feel.

Our world may be revealed one day to be a tiny outpost in a much grander scheme but I feel - like those who left a lighted candle in the window for lost travellers - a sense of collective significance to be part of the community who faithfully keeps that candle alight.

Even if the significance of that candle is not appreciated until well after my own life-time I consider it wonderful to be part of a race of beings who strove to keep the light shining.

Merry Xmas to all of you - and thanks for this thread which, in a land where Xmas does not really exist, gave me a little of that feeling of fellowship and connectedness that the season always brings.

Some years ago I took an evening walk from a bush campsite to a beach with a good friend (my brother-in-law actually). There was a breeze blowing off the water, the stars were very bright and the surf was pounding. I expected my evangelical Anglican friend to expound on the majesty of God's Creation and, at that moment, I'd have agreed with him. Instead he looked up and said (more or less) "Isn't it amazing that come the End Times, God will pack the entire universe away."

I was so thunderstruck, I didn't know what to say. There are 100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy and our galaxy is but one of perhaps 125,000,000,0000. Our Earth, big as it seems to us, is but a pebble in the sky. The notion that the entire Universe was created specifically as a stage for our sinful lives to play out seems like the height of egotism to me.

When I look at the stars, or stare into the depths of the Grose Gorge or pick up a 500,000,000-year-old Ordovician fossil I am reminded of the smallness of my life and how quickly it will end. But if my life is small, then my problems are even smaller. Nothing like a walk in the bush (or a peek at the stars) to put life into perspective.

So to all posters, I wish you all the best for 2009. May your lives be enlivened by laughter, music, beauty and friendship.

Indeed, some people look at the sky, or study cosmology, and exclaim "How great Thou art", others conclude "How insignificant we are". It is about the same as the difference between seeing a glass of water half full or half empty.

We are somewhere in the middle of a long-long evolution of the physical world the purpose of which we cannot begin to grasp, so it is simpler to deny it.

Whichever way you look at it, nobody claims that we are the Ultimate purpose of that evolution, only some of us think that we are the first ones on this planet - possibly, but unlikely, the only ones in the whole Universe (Multiverse) - who can contribute towards this purpose, directly by accepting it or indirectly by denying it: neither of these options is available to other creatures on this planet.

You cannot even begin to understand the workings of the Cosmos without more and more sophisticated mathematics, and - in my opinion - you cannot even begin to contemplate this Ultimate purpose without religious insights that must also be getting more and more (philosophically) sophisticated.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to both the “contemplaters” and “deny-iers” of this Purpose.

im using this post to edit the following post down to size
to post it here

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8309&page=0
but as the next link ties in to this post i post it here as well

Originally Posted by Saved by Grace
from http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php?t=15307&page=10
[its an interesting debate][about creating the universe[and who done it]but back to the quote

>>As far as I know, no thread on ODN has proved Evolution,nor do I believe it occured to bring about our present setting.

You're wrong. You'll note that there are no ODN threads proving gravity works or that internal combustion cars function. We understand that there is a body of knowledge outside ODN which proves them.Here are instances of observed speciation/evolution.We know evolution is proven.

You may challenge this in another thread,but neither I nor any intellectually honest member of ODN will entertain your nonsense about evolution not being proven.<<

i cut the hot-link out to prove my point[its not available]
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html#part5

as the link reveals by being unavailable ,it becomes an irrefutable point[beyond debate]

but lets use its facts as available to refute it anyhow

the link is supposed to link to the topic SPECIATION over laid by the blue writing
<<Here are instances of observed speciation/evolution<<

note how all of a sudden evolution is tacked on[no doudt were the link available it would reveal the speciation of earwigs,or sea gulls or virus speciating into THE SAME GENUS[not evolution

evolution postulates genus evolving into other genus

[it is this genus-[ification]that needs be proved to validate evolving/evolution ,not simple intra genus mutations

[but that is how you been decieved ,breed,species ,type ,genus, speciation,evolution are all of divergent [but DEFINATIVE MEANINGS ,yet are used in debates to prove black is white

it is for this reason i asked evolution prove its genus evolving
[cat into dog so to speak]at
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=8309&page=0

and it is this
that none are able to do

it is these that are the'gaps
[because it is this that cant happen,
and it has never been observed to happen]

think why even science CANT make it happen

adamD..>>The burden'of]proof is'always'on the believer.Always!

If I claim that I have fairies in my garden,..up to me to prove this....I can’t make this claim to anyone and then expect that they be the one to prove to me that those fairies don’t exist.>>..

proof space is not empty?
why?[you cant handle the truth]

its a two way probabilty[we are asked to present our 'thiest' proof's[only to have them declared'CREATIONIST SITES']as if that rebuts them all[lol]

if theists share at least some of the burden of proof,[to prove what to athiests?then the fact the existence of the supernatural can actually be proven would this provide a small bit of comfort for them[thus of course they will be in denial mode

[link]so to save your time here is the preface
[noting i have found no rebuttal of it]

>>Preface by the Transcriber.

>>The following narrative was written more than a year ago,and in giving it to the public I do not claim to be its author,since I have only acted the part of an amanuensis..

..and endeavored to write down as truthfully and as carefully as I could,the words given to me by the Spirit Author himself,..who is one of several spirits who have desired me to write down for them their experiences in the spirit world.

I have had to write the words as fast as my pen could travel over the paper,and many of the experiences described and opinions advanced are quite contrary to what I myself believed to be[in accordance with the conditions of life in the world of spirits.]

The Spirit Author Franchezzo I have frequently seen materialized,and he has been recognized on these occasions by friends who knew him in earth life.

Having given the narrative to the public as I received it from the Spirit Author,I must leave with him all responsibility for the opinions expressed and the scenes described.

A.FARNESE.[London,1896]>>and there is the intro

http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/wslded.html

here is the index[contents]link

http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/wsltoc.html
and more
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/gonewest.html
http://www.angelfire.com/ne/newviews/life.htm