Col
I agree in relation to your comments on leases that were allowed by state governments. That is what I meant by the influence of the cotton industry. You sometimes have to ask yourself why some of these decisions are made - is it just ignorance, bad planning and forethought or something else. Us humble folk will probably never know.

Belly “Col you do your case no justice with the anti left comments in every thread,”

I guess, speaking the truth and commenting on the observable facts and predicting based on reason, rather than hysterical hyperbole (aka AGW, the myth behind Krudd’s Carbon Emissions tax), would define me “to the right”.

especially when we consider: the goal of socialist political philosophy is a non-existent fantasy.

Ultimately, the lies of the socialists and the left will become like a yoke around your neck.

So just take my view to be

The truth will set you free

But like the Jack Nicholson line in A few Good Men :

“You cannot handle the truth”

Regarding “Extremes right or left will not impact on this debate and nor should they.”

Who appointed you to to make that call?

Maybe you can point out where I have ever suggested anything “extreme”.

when everyone of my posts has been in support of the rights of individuals to make their free and personal choice and for government to respond, first to the best interests of the electors who put them in office.


That’s called the democratic process


And criticism of the incumbent government is a precious democratic value, unless you are telling me it is otherwise, in which case we should start a new thread.

It was Lenin who said

While the state exists there can be no freedom, when there is freedom there can be no state”

I vote for “freedom”

Lenin also said

“The goal of socialism is communism”

I am happy to promote (expose) the views of the ‘left’.

Especially when there lies reveal the very short path from socialism to communism and that socialist fantasy becomes the hell on earth, with death the only relief, which Lenin and his successors inflicted upon 30 million Russians.

Both hasbeen and mjpb identify serious problems with government meddling.


The rules of the market are overturned and the meddlesome bureaucrats decide, through taxation and subsidy, what would otherwise be the free choice of the electorate

While ever we have The knowledge of Good and Evil as the paradyne for mans thoughts,to be filtered through,Bul St, mistrust and devision rule.
Education doesn't change the beast and knowledge doesn't change the beast. Only decisions change man. I found this web site looking for Truth in the climate change debate but all I see is opinions and egos,
no interest in truth what so ever. As a farmer drought affects me personaly. In 2000 big brother took over in the water planing department. Up until that time property owners had to share for the good of all. Since State control it has become survival of the fittest with the squeeky wheel getting the most and greed plays a very big part. At a farmers meeting in 2002 with everybody at everybodys throat over water sharing 2 speakers stood out as the most deprived. 1 was the biggest potatoe farmer in the district, the other was a potatoe and seed grower. The next day my wife and I went for a drive to see where all the water was being used and you guessed it, the potatoe grower and the potatoe and seed grower had green fields of large portions and All other farmers had stoped irrigating to conserve water for stock and domestic use. Leglaslation only caused devision and mistrust because greed and abuce of power became the norm. Religion is NOT the answer but PART of the problem. Man is incapible of solving the problem for he IS the problem. I thank God that I can now say with confidence God lives BIG in and through me.

Belly,

You said >"Consider these idiotic ideas, stop using coal now before finding an alternative? et al"<
The problem with this line of thought is that it doesn't take into consideration the power of vested industries and those who depend on them.
Consider this there was a car that ran on alternative fuel in the 1940's...what happened to the technology? There was a whole technology of alternative powered cars after an oil shock they were all recalled and crushed why?

The answer to both questions is that existing industries bought the patents then destroyed the potential competitor to their investment.

The only reason Aust is tipping so much money into the myth of clean coal and not solar technology is that Australia has too many vested industries (interest in coal). The reason Kalifornia supports solar power is that it has neither coal nor uranium in any quantity.

Tragically I feel we'll go down supporting old technology because we're so politically dominated by the extractive industries, which have and will discourage, smother other technologies that may reduce their profits.

Ethanol will distort grain prices and will have a direct impact on the very poor.
Conclusion : Vested interests won’t allow a significant change un less they can control the technology. The idea of a plethora of medium sized companies say solar or wind technology is an anathema to the BIG corporate powers. They will resist as long as possible then buy up the alternative to dominate/over exploit them.
One needs only look at the chemical companies that are now ‘life science” (sic) corporations

Examinator, your ideology, gets in the way of you seeing the facts.

Recent research suggests we may be able to supply all the liquid fuel required by Oz from algae. The suggestion is 150,000 acres of algae farms would do the job.

Do you really think that the big oil companies would care if they got their refinary feed stock by pumping it out of the ground, or by growing it in a big pond? I'm sure they would prefer to grow it in Oz, than have to deal with OPEC, & the arabs.

What makes you think the auto companies care what power moves their cars?
If they did, would Grneral motors have spent over a billion dollars, [yes billion] trying to develop better batteries, for electric cars, & a hydrogen fuel cell, also to power electric drive cars? I'll bet they wish they had that billion back right now.

The piston internal combustion engine is a dreadful thing. Many better engines have been designed, by many people. However, agricultural as it is, after 100+ years of development, it is now very efficient. None of the new contenders have been able to compete with it without many years & millions spent in their development.

I know you will find it hard to believe, but the industry expected to replace the smelly, noisy old things, over 20 years ago. They were not interested in spending money on any internal combustion engine development, just to throw it out in a few years.

I agree with you that clean coal is a pipe dream, but who cares. The CO2/Global warming furphy will be fully exposed for what it is, in not too long, then we can cocentrate on something worth doing, perhaps.

I do find it most amusing that our green/left are so captivated by a myth, originally started by their most loathed lady, in none other than Maggie Thatcher

Hasbeen,

Sadly, you misunderstand ME and my basis for writing. Perhaps it’s the tyranny of practicality, many people want short pithy, simple answers to complex issues. When in reality there are none.

I do however subscribe to the twin policies of discussing issues in “context” and letting the preponderance of facts lead. Under some circumstances some may see this as uncomplimentary comments to their sacred cows. That does NOT imply I support the opposite or that an ideological bias can be assumed. I simply don’t think in those terms. The post under question has no ideological component only founded facts.

I gave two (of many) examples of how dominant industries have and continue to pervert ‘the market’ for their own benefit. This is both contrary to capitalism’s base theory and not in the interest of the people by locking us into older more profitable technologies. This is referred to as the ‘cash cow’ stage of a market (in essence it means little capital input for maximum returns.)
In accounting returns this is referred to as increasing return on investment.

Following this I don’t believe that BIG oil/coal is going to readily dump 10’s(perhaps 100’s) of $billions investment in oil processing infrastructure (from wells, ports, ships processing plants, trucks and distribution networks) and take a loss to pick up a new system of power generation. My second point was that these corporations strive to control their industry with all that implies.

A good example of this was the US radial (including steel) tyres embargo In the late 60’s.The vested industries forced the govt to ban radial tyre imports because they had too much investment in the old cross ply technology, contrary of capitalist dictum and the public safety interest. The collapse of the Dino3 is another case in fact of the consequences of this perversion.

Bias is more easily recognized by shallow analysis and (pigeon holing) name calling and or attacking the individual rather than the substance.