Well, basically, that says it all. Animals Australia does not want to be associated with PALE (nor does anyone else, it seems). Get over it and move on.

If you had really wanted to do it you would have found a way with input from Animals Australia, since you had so many self-professed "high fliers" on board. Admit it, you just don't know where to start.

Nicky

Nicky

It shows preciously what we were warned about before we started.
That certain people were paranoid about anybody else having input into animal welfare.

(Nicky you old faithful PETA AA follower despite your denials)

One moment you’re posting away very nicely and sensibly then off you go again attacking accusing turning on fellow animal lovers.

What is it with you people- are you washing your lettuce properly?

I will say this. Hugh was right about one thing. He said until everybody works together nothing will change.

He addressed a National Press conference on the 20 years plus record of into fighting between animal welfare groups well before our time.

Don’t know what to do ah, well so far but our ideas have been copied one by one.

1 We formed a working relationship with RSPCA( while the rest bagged RSPCA)
2 Introduced proposal to take Animal Welfare to court.
3 Suggested hands on investigations.

4 Uni Young lawyers groups

5 Formed the first ever MOU with Muslim Leaders to work with Aussie farmers.

6 Only ones to expose AWB =there for exposed others for NOT speaking out about AWB connections to live exports at the AWB Enquiry.

We will always be around to keep the bastards honest as they say.

If you honestly believe everybody working in animal welfare is free of political influence you’re a bigger fool than I thought.
We work 24/7 without payment so it’s pretty clear we love animals.

What are we going to do? Oh Nicky now that the BEST part.
We are going to monitor RSPCA National and HWC success with Muslim leaders of course.

We are going to make sure they follow up on our work
Funny isn’t it how things work out in the end after all.
Because Dear Nicky that’s ALL! we set out to do in the first place.

Do tell us for a change what is it you claim YOU have contributed to really make a difference for our Animals.

PALE, you cannot be serious. You have not HAD any input into animal welfare beyond those wholly irrelevant submissions to the Animal Welfare Bill. All you have done is seek to discredit those who HAVE made the real achievements (and try to ride on the back of their successes).

You formed a working relationship with the RSPCA - what happened to that?

You "introduced a proposal to take animal welfare to court"? What happened to that? In what court? With what standing? On what charges?

Suggested hands-on investigations - but you didn't DO any, you just sought to discredit those who did.

"Exposed" AWB (only in the regional Gold Coast Bulletin) - but failed to point to a clear and established link between direct profiteering from live animal exports and the Iraqi regime. All you exposed was a business transaction.

What "Uni Young Lawyers groups"? They were around before PALE was, and have continued without any input from PALE.

Formed a MoU with Muslim leaders to "work with Aussie farmers". That was forever ago. How many farmers came on board? Where did it go and what did it achieve?

"We" work "24/7 without payment" (don't we all?). Who is "we"? How many members are we talking about? How precisely do you propose to "monitor" RSPCA and HWC activities? I suspect that your "Muslim leaders" have got tired of PALE going nowhere, and that is why they are dealing with those organisations. And as I pointed out, you should be welcoming that, not whinging about it.

Finally, you have failed to answer my questions, and I will not answer yours because it would reveal some of my business activities. That said, I will support any animal advocacy organisation which has a clear record of achievement. PALE doesn't. This idiotic topic demonstrates the mentality of PALE and its inability to distinguish between fact and fiction.

Nicky

Nicky

We don’t answer to you
There must be something mentally wrong with you imo. For 3 years now we have asked you for your own achievements. You know we already know your true ID so don’t give us the rubbish.

I remind you again that when we contacted Glyense of Animals Australia year’s ago she said they did not do live exports.



That is why pale was formed in the first place.

We are still working with RSPCA QLD on live exports. Would love to be in a position to financially assist with many more of their projects.
*You "introduced a proposal to take animal welfare to court"? ...

Are you completely stupid! I told you Glenys refused to assist to brief the council on the 20 back ground to the x Crimes Commissioner. She said she never came to QLD but came three weeks later without speaking with the QC.

Suggested hands-on investigations...

Be very careful Nicky we TOTALLY support Lyn White. The investigation I spoke of involved Federal Busts offices raided and charges being laid BUT again Glenys refused to assist with something we required at the time again.

*"Exposed" AWB*

*Iraqi regime. All you exposed was a business transaction.*

Blimey don’t tell me you finally believe AWB are Live Animal Exporters
Don’t tell me you finally acknowledge AWB purchased from Wes farmers.
Just a few posts back on the other thread you were arguing that information was incorrect.!

*Formed a MoU with Muslim leaders to "work with Aussie farmers". That was forever ago. *
Nicky and live exports is a very political.

You will never helpanimals because you see all meat workers as animal killers and refuse to address live exports by reopening abattoirs in Australia.

Nicky I am not about to disclose privy information as to what Muslim leaders and our organisation are doing- Now or ever.


You do NOT work full time on Animal Welfare.
That is untrue

PALE, it is only in your deluded (what do you drink/smoke?) mind that you think you know who I am. You can speculate as much as you like.

RSPCA Queensland has not been active in its live export campaign in recent times, and neither has PALE. That's why the trade continues to expand from Queensland, and animal cruelty cases are on the rise.

The difference is that everyone else has.

Why on earth should Glenys Oojges provide information to PALE for any reason? Or meet with PALE or anyone else whom she feels would not be constructive? She has the right to choose what she believes is best for her organisation, and (quite rightly, I'd suggest) determined that that is not PALE (get over it). If you did not have standing to mount a prosecution (and you have yet to demonstrate that you might have) any such meeting would have been a waste of time.

You should be able to deal with gathering information and preparing prosecution briefs yourself, since you claim to have a background in investigation and "lawyers" at your disposal. You constantly expect others to do the work you claim to be doing and whinge bitterly when they don't.

What ON EARTH is this supposed to mean? "Glenys refused to assist to brief the council on the 20 back ground to the x Crimes Commissioner"

And this: "The investigation I spoke of involved Federal Busts offices raided and charges being laid"? Do try for a little coherent communication. None of that even makes basic sense, much less means anything.

You won't disclose anything about your "Muslim leaders" because there is nothing to disclose. Admit it. Anything you did was more than five years ago.

Nicky

To continue ...

Nicky
I think its clear to everybody you are here to beat the drum for Glenyse.
Of course you are entiled to do that but PLEASE do not tell me what RSPCA QLD PALE or Muslim leaders are doing . You really need to just get a life and do something by yourself instead of worrying what others are doing.

The fact is that your friends were told by Muslim leaders they held a MOU with our organisation and pls go through the pale office - didnt sit well with your buddies.

Too bad. They had twenty pluss years prior to us to do something similar.
They rejected invitations to meet with Muslim leaders for years.
That also includes Hugh and RSPCA National.

So I wonder whats really behind the fact Glenyse and Hugh simply refused to take up this offer to improve animal welfare.
Was it their egos or something else?

That said they at last see the light and are now heading in the right direction trying to link up with Muslim people.

A very wise choice and IMO probably driven by Lyn who seems to be the only one with common sense who doesnt have a nasty nature like you and your friend.

Like us Lyn Whites ONLY interest is to help animals.

A very refreshing change