Reasonable Faith is not an oxymoron.... all of us have 'faith' in the skills of engineers who calculate load bearing ability of a bridge :)

Most of us have 'faith' that Captain Cook began the settlement Australia, but we only have our existence and the history books to back that up.

OLY.. Churches..being private property..can display signs of their choice... offensive or not. (within the law)

David F you touch on the very POINT which gives_me_the irrates about the RRT.. it is not the reality of vilification but the PERRRCEPTION of it that the law outlaws.

i.e.. If I (or some other person, be they witch or Muslim) FEEL vilified by even legitimate or reasonable/truthful/accurate statements/publications/broadcasts made in good faith then... they can (and sometimes do) make a complaint.

This is assessed for validity by the EOC and if you don't like what they say you can immediately apply for it to be heard at VCAT.
They then decide on the basis of the evidence if the thing complained about was in fact "reasonable and in good faith".

I've been down this path already. (who knows.. more of the 'holocaust is applied Christianity' stuff and I might go down it again :)

The best thing is for it to be RIPPED UP and burned and expurgated from Victorian consolidated legislation.

If time allows, I fully intend to make a case for the hate speech in the Quran and Hadith and will try to have those documents banned from sale. If the law allows it....why not? I don't like the existence of supposed holy books which curse me because of my faith and call for my (and your Jewish) destruction.

You might not see that as a threat..but boy oh boy.. I sure do.

They don't have metal detectors at the entrance of Beth Weisman Synagogue in Caulfield for no reason.

DAVID NICHOLS.. your sign would probably be the best gift to the church for decades :) hope you get it up.. yes..buy a bus thats a good idea.

I'm thinking of one myself "Believe in Jesus, get 'rich' quick" :)

Dear Polycarp,

The Holocaust remains applied Christianity. The years of hate promoted by Christianity is fact. The massacres of non-Christians and Christians of a different brand by Christians, Inquisition, wars of the Reformation and general intolerance practiced by Christianity is fact. Christianity has a horrible record. I understand you don't like it to be pointed out. By thy fruits shall you know them. That's how I know Christianity. The nasty Sura 9 is only words which pale in comparison with the reality of Christianity.

I have made a submission against antivilification legislation and will send it to you if you are interested.

While atheism is the result of denial I think the ads should be allowed. Any thinking person who is slightly interested in truth and facts could see what a poor self deluded lot that atheist are.

Oh thanks Runner,
wrote(While atheism is the result of denial I think the ads should be allowed. Any thinking person who is slightly interested in truth and facts could see what a poor self deluded lot that atheist are.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 26 November 2008 4:56:37 PM)
Gave me a belly laugh you did.
I'm gonna love this topic ha... Cheers

Polycarp,

When you learn the basics of written interaction, i.e. when you respond to points against a position you hold, then I will address future comment. Just a hint for you in case you are mystified. 68%

I can hardly wait for your response!

David

Oliver,

We have a very competent Committee weighing up all the options but I do thank you for the bus suggestion. Poor old Reg Varney died last week, so I was wondering if you were up for a conductor’s job ‘on the Atheist Buses’. :))

David

" don't like the existence of supposed holy books which curse me because of my faith and call for my (and your Jewish) destruction"

Leaving out the Jewish bit I've got such a book beside my desk. I've owned it for years. I used to own a number of copies based on different translations. It says some rather nasty things about me and depending on whose intepretation you believe it proposes that my fate will be to spend an eternity of suffering because I don't change faith. It describes a god who hates people before they are burn, who condems those he does not call, who decieves and hardens hearts to make a point. In many ways a nasty book. It looks forward to a time when much of the world will be destroyed by the god it describes and his followers.

It also has some good things to say and is useful at times for putting the attitudes, actions and beliefs of some of it's more fervent proponents into context.

If David wants to challenge my right to own or even read that book I'll defend my right to do so. If David wishes to try to use the law to stop my legal right to replace it with a newer copy in the future I'll oppose him.

I often don't like what the book says and really don't like what others choose to do with those contents. I reject it's threats against myself, I reject it's claims about myself and I reject those who would try to destroy it's existance.

R0bert