Thanks for the offer, Fractelle. Right now, we will just ride the wave and see what eventuates. There are a few plans in the pipeline up for grabs. Maybe the advertisers will see they have made a rash commercial judgment and change their minds. There would be no hard feeling on our part if they did.

Of course, if an ideologically driven government body initiated this decision then recanting is most unlikely. It would then be a clear demonstration of the fragility of our democratic system. Power used in this arbitrary manner by those we elect or the bureaucracy under them is something about which we should all be concerned.

David

David

Was listening on the radio to you driving back from the country.
It may not be as you planned but this has got you more publicity than the stickers themselves!

Pardon my ignorance of your organisation but what else are you involved in.
IE
Aged Care- Caner Foundation Blind Deaf Kids etc

Is our organisation effected in other areas because of this attitude
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Have you been denied any grants from Government to work in any of the areas above?
I think its peoples own business what they do and don`t believe in TBO.

Providing they are people doing good things based on common sense with good morals towards others nobody should be singled out in this manner.

After all if we have stopped kids playing God Save the Queen and the Lords prayer that I grew up with because it may offend some.

Your people claiming you don`t follow any God is not so earth shattering you ought to be singled out.

I suppose you have looked commercial discrimination and trade practises act laws?

DAvid N.... you mention 'connecting' rather than shadow boxing... well let's try to actually connect here.

You appear to still think I'm claiming that 68% of Australians are Christian... I never said that.. I said:

1/ 68% of Australians CLAIM..... some kind of Christian affiliation.

2/ That GIVEN this statistic (right wrong or both) that bean counters and public relations people in Ad and Bus companies might be a bit hesitant to put something out there which might offend them.

Do you get it now?

CJ... the only point I make re the law is same as the above. Though it applies to Vic, as you well know, it can be applied also to others :) who can be dragged kicking, screaming and whining to this state for 'legal attention'.

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming,

You are oh so very correct in the ‘rejection’ generating more publicity than the actual slogans would have. We are run off our feet.

The AFA is a philosophical/educational organisation. We are not a religion. It would be the same as me asking what “Aged Care- Caner Foundation Blind Deaf Kids etc” is your organisation involved with or asking the same of a pony club or science organisation etc. We however, do donate to various charities when we have spare cash.

The AFA does not receive any government grants.

Under the present Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Act, freedom 'from' religion is not covered and therefore we do not have a legal leg to stand upon. Interestingly enough, there is a review of this act and the AFA has sent a submission on this and other points, but nowhere in the affiliated documentation does it mention freedom 'from' religion. Australia is falling behind other advanced democracies in this area.

David

Polycarp,

I am not going over it again.

Hi David,
Yes, great to see that you're getting so much publicity.

I came across this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3521024/35000-of-taxpayers-cash-given-to-atheist-bus-group.html

OK it's the telegraph and the title is somewhat misleading, but it seems that in Britain the equality watchdog ain't myopic.

"£35,000 of taxpayers' cash given to 'atheist bus' group.

An atheist group planning to put adverts on London buses declaring that "there's probably no God" has been given £35,000 in taxpayers' money.

The British Humanist Association, which is running a campaign get rid of faith schools and wants to end the Church of England's position as the established religion, was given the grant by the Government's equality watchdog and is using it to stage a series of debates about the place of religion in public life."

Hello Celivia,

Yes, I am aware of the article. It just goes to show the vast gap between Brittain and the Australian government and the psyche of our population. Such a grant is religion’s worst nightmare come true. They have had it so good for so long, that questioning the basis for their assumptions is seen as heresy of the worst kind. Religions fail to recognise that the value of democracy that protects them and everyone is in the fact that everything is open to criticism. I would add, everything should be open to criticism, especially notions held only on ‘faith’.

David