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Creationists need not reply [EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY PLEASE]

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UOG wrote:
Therefore,initial living cells must have originated supernaturally.5.The creation model conforms to the data.

Charles Darwin wrote:
In a letter to Joseph Dalton Hooker on February 1, 1871, Charles Darwin addressed the question, suggesting that the original spark of life may have begun in a "warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, lights, heat, electricity, etc. present, so that a protein compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes".

Thats what Darwin thought back then, and since then many scientists have been experimenting and documenting their work...go to this Wikipedia page to see many of them listed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_life

THEN, you can just put "god did it" at the end of the list, and you'll know where we all stand in the quest to find the answer to the beginnings of life.

So, IN REALITY, you've also got NO PROOF for your theory? Am I right?
Posted by trikkerdee, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 10:47:18 AM
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thanks for reply trikkerdee,

easy to say i[we]believe for a reason[saying what'i'believe is science NOT FAITH
[but the fact is believing in evolution is by and large AN ACT OF FAITH[in science]

it has unreadable ammounts of'facts'[yet the sum-total of fact includes no faulsifiable science]
the theory is underpined with a basic premis that''all life''came from'one'cell[that'evolves'into everything living]''

so for me it boils/down to believing in'one'cell
[or'one'god]

i believe the god-theory for things[reasons]between me and my god[our god]when i hear of a new discovery in science i rejoice;.'how great god is'..to concieve such an amasing creature

i see a flower[knowing enough science to know that no scientist in any lab has EVER'made'a flower[yes they have micro-evolved halfbreeds/crossbreeds/mutations and other detail[either in its parental dna or from their crossed parentals]

but thats not'ambiogensis'of a real flower#[regardless BOTH are positions we have been taught to believe]FAITH postitions.

i learned 20 years ago much i.'thought'true isnt[research reveals up to half of what we believe is faulse[so i am aware half of what I think to KNOW is faulse]

BUT BY THE SAME MEASURE
half of what everyone else knows may be'possably'just as flawed'

what we believe about;santa-clause,easter bunny,johnkennedy,landing on the moon,911,have all been disproved,[google them up and test their truths yourselves]

BUT:[this isnt about what i believe[nor what you guys believe]

[BUT THAT WE REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT EVOLUTION]

that evolution put forward its science[IF SCIENCE IT BE],[im just faulsifying everything and finding we been lied to about so much,

but this posting is about one lie[im using this post to see what facts i need to faulsify]no-one has all the facts[yet those not studying the topic scince childhood dare to say im'cheery picking fact'they refuse to present

im not the sharpest'knife'in the drawer[but then i dont claim to be clever enough even to get evolution]

but many here claim they do
its time they explained it[dont you think?]

just the simple facts that fill in the gaps[in 100,000 years of human'evolution']dont you think we should be able to explain the full and complete/science fact

[if science fact it really be?]
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 3:27:38 PM
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<<just the simple facts that fill in the gaps[in 100,000 years of human'evolution']dont you think we should be able to explain the full and complete/science fact>>

Take the process of natural selection you can witness in any high-school science lab, and project it over millions of years.

Alternatively, reproduce a resurrection or virgin birth under test conditions and you might be taken more seriously.

What you're currently arguing is 2+2 = 4, but 2000000 + 2000000 = Jesus.
Posted by Sancho, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 4:10:03 PM
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i was going to ignore your post Sancho[but it is so absurd i just had to remind you QUOTE:>>Take the process of natural selection you can witness in any high-school science lab,>>please reveal how oh half wise/half witted one

are you saying that natural-selection as demonstrated in school confirms abiogensis or evolution[or both]please explain what is revealed[by which school lab[by what natural act of selectivity.

selectivity is specific[natural is chance/luck[how can luck or chance explain evolutional specificty[survival of the fittest]indeed many of the theorised tennents of the evolutional or ambiogenesis theory

>>>and project it over millions of years<<.

it seems to me a needlessly long time for you to be in school[as even fools can reveal occasional wisdom,thus feel free to explain precisly how.

but i see you have a further witisism[ok half a whit from a half wit?]

>>Alternatively,reproduce a resurrection or virgin birth under test conditions and you might be taken more seriously.>>

funny how im not taking you too seriously,your confusing logic no doudt sees these events as proving something[but raising them as some convoluted proof of anything mearly reveals the other half of your half wittedness[as well as insulting those who believe such things]

i suggest you post it as a topic if its a real question[i have no opinion either way,but even if i did HOW WOULD THAT CONFIRM your theory?]

but there is more from your half wittedness>>What you're currently arguing is 2+2 = 4,>>

see your getting it[even a halfwit sees im offering a 2 plus 2 deal here]but i note you havent finished proving your half wittedness yet[as well as LACK OF ANY REAL PROOF of evolution or ambiogensis]

>> but 2000000 + 2000000 = Jesus.<<

[is this xtian thing a fetish for yours?]if this has any relivance to the debate or is some spot math question?it is not any proof for evolution[or if it is remotly proof of something to prove your evolving theory;please explain

do the numbers have any relitive proof for anything other than your stupidity[please feel free to explain]
,
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 7:55:22 PM
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interesting the[earlier]links[that i been using to reveal the HUGE gaps arnt available]anymore
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html#tran


[there's plenty more[by their-deeds will you know-them]

quote from
http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/gaps/gaps.htm
>>Instead of filling the gaps in the fossil record with so-called missing links,most paleontologists found themselves facing a situation in which there were only gaps in the fossil record,with no evidence of transformational evolutionary intermediates between documented fossil species."(Schwartz,Jeffrey H.,Sudden Origins,..

"...The fossil record nevertheless continues to be composed mainly of gaps."(George,T.Neville,"Fossils in Evolutionary Perspective,"

"Despite the bright promise;that paleontology provides a means of seeing evolution,it has presented some nasty difficulties for evolutionists the most notorious of which is the presence of'gaps'in the fossil record.'Evolution'requires'intermediate/forms'between species[paleontology does not provide them."(Kitts,David"Paleontology and Evolutionary Theory,"

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/origin-of-invertebrates

Within the evolutionary sequence of events,the mechanisms that made the changes are not known,and they cannot be known...,the lack of testability and repeatability demonstrates how this subject lies in the realm of historical science,if it is science at all.

Unicellular organisms cannot produce more than one type of cell.In order to become a multicellular organism,new information must be available that tells the cells to develop in new ways to perform different functions...

The source of this new information cannot come from random mutations[as discussed in Chapter 3), but even if it could, a multitude of new functions must be simultaneously added to the genome..

..The hormonal-control of development and cell-coordination must be present with the information to code for the hormones and new cell structures...those old hormones and proteins must still perform their original functions or the cell is not as fit and would be removed by natural selection.

Search for'missing links'..is..fruitless,because they probably never existed

http://evolution-facts.org/Appendix/a17b2.htm

just see how EVOLveD the flagelum is[noting all parts of it NEED to evolve at the same time
http://www.detectingdesign.com/flagellum.html



here is an egsample that oversimplifies the problem

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/misconceps/IICgaps.shtml

gaps in'horse'creatures isnt the'real'problem[but its what they feed you],to cover over the importance of'gaps'][cold into warm-blood]SEE YOUR BEING CONNED?



here is another of your'faulse_gods'covering over the cracks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/gaps-in-evolutionary-theo_b_6606.htm
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 9:37:37 AM
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the unveiling of the lie goes on
READ THE LINK

rebut it if you can
http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm
Oops! Biology Scientists Just Changed the "Scientific Facts" Again.

Science books have been telling us for years that all human are 99.9 percent genetically identical,and it is commonly said that humans“share”98-99 percent of their DNA with chimpanzees.

Now we find the claims were all fabricated lies.Instead of having only 0.1 percent difference between human individuals,we now find that people can be genetically different by as much as 10 to 12 percent.This is a 100 to 120 times increase in the degree of difference.This announcement is a another crushing blow to the false theory of evolution, but your university professor will simply ignore it.

Humans can be 10%to 12 percent genetically different,not 99.9 percent identical
http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-11-22-voa80.cfm

Scientists Revise Map of Human Genome
By Jessica Berman, Washington

"Scientists have revised the map of the human genome,saying human beings are genetically more complex than previously thought.The discovery has surprised experts who say it is likely to transform medical research...VOA's Jessica Berman reports."

"In 2000, the Human Genome Project unveiled a road map of the six billion chemical bases,or alphabet molecules, that make up the body's genetic structure called DNA."

"The DNA encodes for 30,000 genes or proteins which are responsible for every physical characteristic in the body,including eye and hair color. At the time, scientists said all humans could be 99.9 percent genetically identical."

"But as they peered more deeply into the DNA of unrelated individuals, researchers made a startling discovery - large segments of their DNA, from thousands to millions of units,varied greatly,a phenomenon called copy number variations, or CNVs."

"The discovery means that the genes of any given individual are at least 10 to 12 percent different from those of another human."..

Don't believe your biology science text book.Modern biology is not a science.Modern biology as taught in high schools and universities is nothing more than made up conjecture and nonsense.Biology is not scientifically true.

Biologists keep revising"science"that was previously taught as being fact...because it is simply brainwashing.

Evolutionary Fraud from Piltdown,England
http://www.biblelife.org/ufo.htm
Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 4:58:06 PM
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