Hi Sylvia

the flaw in your argument is that you used the words "then 'I' keep"....

i.e.. you are assuming the existence of an intelligent overseer :)

Baygon.. good call!

Wobbly...this is not 'my' position.. if you look at the articles you can see who's it is.

You also used the same flawed argument as Sylvia "If you periodically delete" again.. assumes an external intelligent supervisor.

It is not a back handed attack, it is a full frontal assault with rocket launched granades :)

The focus is on just ONE aspect of existence. "Origin of life" not.. repeat NOT 'how things developed' once intelligent life was produced/created.

I think it is just tooooo easy for people to spill out cliche's "If you have enough this and enough time.. sureeeeee LIFE comes into existence." Now..that puts me back on the floor..

Yabby *NIP*.... no mate.. it's not about the general theory of evolution...its about ORIGINS of life and the probabilities thereof.
Here is a new theory....

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021204080856.htm

But with ALL these exotic theories.. I have a HUGE problem intellectually. If the probabilities (lack thereof) are as the initial post suggests (from the article) of just ONE intelligent outcome with all that work... just think.. lets call it 'one cell' of the most simple nature.

http://images.google.com.au/images?hl=en&q=rna+molecule&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

You don't have to be any smarter than 1+1=2 to work out that if the probabilities for ONE successful protien of 200-500 amino acids strung to gether.

Ok.. fifty trillion years has past since the big bang..and VOILA..we now have ONE ...... 1 protein molecule.

Does it occur to anyone that to get TWO.... 2.. the probabilities are MULtiplied? not just added?

There I am..back rolling around the floor... sorry but it's ludicrous to think of 'origin of life by chance'
http://www.blinkx.com/video/michael-behe-probability-of-a-single-protein-molecule/sj7w0SBgQxWcSOMK8ERaYg

P.S. this thread might be called "How atheists got religion" i.e.. the religion of rejection of the Creator.

You cannot arrive there by honest intellectual inequiry.. so that leaves 'religion'.. u know... "belief in something you have no evidence for" :)

I know this will bring all the usual 'but but but.. arguments out of the woodwork...but I suggest NARROW your focus onto just ONE thing...

ORIGINS.... ORIGINS... ORIGINS... of just 1 complete living cell.

What is the SMALLEST living cell?

Nanoarchaeum equitans

Its genome is only 490,885 nucleotides long;

HUH?! ONNNNNNLY? FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FIVE nucleotides?

Oh wow..that makes sense then...

WONDERFUL SCIENCE

The split genes of N. equitans most probably represent the ancestral evolutionary stage from which modern non-fragmented genes might have evolved: an example from the genes codifying only for the 5′ and 3′ halves of the tRNA molecule.

Notice the abundance of words like:
"most probably"
"might have"

Like I said..belief in spontaneous origin of life by chance is not science..but religion.

Polycarb,

It's clear how nature keeps some mutations and removes others - animals with some mutations live and reproduce. Animals with others don't live, and don't reproduce. The process of selection of pro-survival mutations is automatic. No intelligent selection is required.

I wish there had been an intelligent designer - I wouldn't have had to have my appendix and excess teeth removed as a teenager, and my eyes would be working rather better than they are.

Ah Poly, but you are overlooking the very fundamentals, due to
lack of information. Lets just look at a couple of basic points.

"Life" is basically a cell that replicates itself, using dna.
Now when Stanley Miller did his primitive flask experiments,
containing the basic elements that we know were on planet earth
in the original days, what he basically got was short strings of
rna. Rna and dna are very much related and rna is involved in
dna replicating itself.

Now Stanely fooled around with a tiny sterile flask. Earth was
a huuuge sterile "flask".

What he also got were some amino acids, which are the building
blocks of life. Chains of amino acids, using rna-dna, form
proteins, as they string together. Life is basically anything
from one cell upwards, cells replicating themselves using
amino acids and rna-dna. That is the simple story just for you :)

The intelligent design was refuted 200 years ago! drrr! and replaced with unintelligible crap with next to no chance of happening. All many have done is replaced a rational faith (creation) with a totally irrational faith (evolution) and then claim science backs them.

Poly,

To become PM, one doesn't need to compete against 22 million folk. Maybe twenty people, four or five times. That said, from a quantum mechanics perspective, where one has the coalascencing of infinite interminancy, one would think the monkey number very small indeed.

As I might have mentioned before, the set of infinity for all rational numbers is infinity less than the set of infinity for irrationally numbers.

Regards,

Oly.