*Thats why we disagree on shipping off our raw materials and our jobs to ME and China.*

Gertrude, nowhere did I state that I disagree with shipping off
raw materials to other countries. In a market economy, its really
up to consumers and investors to decide on where things are processed
and where there is a comparative advantage.

Frankly, one of my biggest nightmares would be the very thought of
being married to any of the posters on the animal welfare threads,
as I have seldom experienced such a lack of rational thinking,excluding all else.

All emotion and no ability to reason, invariably lands up in disaster.

IMHO, let some other male sucker put up with those crazy females, I certainly would not :)

Aust (and the developed world) may be using a disproportionate level of resources, or producing a disproportionate level of pollution, but it/they also produce a disproportionate level of solutions:
-As Graham noted , countries like Aust make up much of the shortfall in food supplies and, not a year goes by without us be implored to bail out one or other, poor country.

And it is also worth noting that:
-It is highly likely that any vaccines, for new or existing maladies will come from the developed countries
-It is highly likely that new developments in alternative energy will come the developed countries (the others may beg, borrow or steal -but few will develop it - much of the solar power technology now being exploited in China was developed at the University of NSW)
- Many of the underdeveloped worlds best and brightest will be given free or subsided education at developed world institutions ( even sometimes it seems at the expense of locals)

Pollution does not confine itself to national boundaries-nor does population.
Our neighbours excess population today, will be our refugee intake tomorrow.

Groups like WWF which run the argument that -Aust is using more than its
per capita share- and don’t push population controls/reduction with equal vehemence, are running a racked , not far removed from the Nigerian letter scam.

“Groups like WWF which run the argument that -Aust is using more than its per capita share- and don’t push population controls/reduction with equal vehemence, are running a racked (sic) , not far removed from the Nigerian letter scam.””

YES!

One of the most perplexing things for me over the last couple of decades has been the extraordinarily biased effort conducted by most so-called environmental organisations, that just completely miss the issue of continuous population growth and the resultant ever-increasing rate of resource consumption and waste production.

“Pollution does not confine itself to national boundaries-nor does population. Our neighbours excess population today, will be our refugee intake tomorrow.”

Mmm don’t know about that Horus. Air pollution doesn’t confine itself to boundaries, but various others sorts of pollution do, more or less.

We’d better hope that population is boundary-dependent and remains so to a very high degree, or else we may as well all give up right now in Australia. Other country’s excess population today will increase pressure for us to take more refugees tomorrow. But hopefully by the time that the pressure really mounts, we’ll have cottoned onto the concept that population stabilisation is an essential factor for sustainability and a half-decent quality of life and we’ll be able to resist taking in huge numbers.

YES
Well said Ludwig.
It might be also very interesting guys to trace some of the funding from these err, environmental groups.

Yabby
Wrong Again ( but you should be used to that by now.)

Gertrude’s, here

Gee that’s not very nice Yabbs+ just as I was about the propose too :)

Well ``GOllie`` Gomma, why am I not surprised to hear your not against exporting our raw materials ah.

You know you can’t have a shilling either way Yabb`s.

At times you say, you have written 'long' letters, to voice opinions to Government that they should stop blocking plants with red tape through MLA to reopen abattoirs.

You claim the biggest problem for farmers in Australia is lack competition to fletchers. I agree.

Then you say there is nothing wrong with sending off all our raw material.

Well how on earth do you propose we fix the problem that (you pointed in the first place) if you then turn around and support the people shipping off our raw materials. Huh.

Correct me if I am wrong but to me that’s counter productive.

Are you sure your not a poly wearing sheep’s clothing and hiding behind a cowboy hat.
Of course the WWF report is based on zero so I won’t even comment on that. Where are the facts and figures- based on what? All products produced etc... Cant be bothered to even try to go there.

Except to say that if their claims were true it might be a good example of how Australians regional areas are mismanaged.

Perhaps someone ought to start to listen to Peter Anderson.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/aussiehero.html

This man Environment scientists Dr Annabelle Keene and Dr Richard Bush from Southern Cross University have been testing Peter Andrews' theories on Gerry Harvey's property as part of a research project. They say the change in short periods of time has been "mind blowing".

Speaking of mind blowing the massive erosion of value adding in this country and employment opportunities given to overseas certainly must be hiding under your hat as well.

Ecological footprint indeed. More like Ecological disaster.

If Australia is blessed with biocapacity isnt it a tragedy that we have chased the orinial landowners off their land,and set about to ravage and destroy the land we have.... even seeking the help of non Australian (ie American and French multinationals)...even provided grants to encourage their efforts!! Wake up Australia...support our country! Thanks Graham for bringing this to our attention!