one under god,
That's the whole point of this debate - science versus faith.

Show me the scientific proof that prayer actually works and I'll reconsider, otherwise it's no more than wishful thinking and random coincidence. It's the same sort of thing that virgins were thrown into volcanos for in the past, as a way of ensuring better crops.Not because of science but because of faith. It's why we cross our fingers and make wishes.

As for religions "founding" things -

Education? - The children of Roman slaves were educated because they would be of more value to society as slaves or citizens. That ended after Constantine when the churches burned down many schools and libraries.
The entire medieval period was one where the Church oppressed education and literacy so the priest class could keep the power of knowledge to themselves.
Heretics (like Galileo) were excommunicated because they believed in science, despite being proven correct.

Discovery? - More like exploration for reasons of conquest.
Like an African once said "When they came, we had the land and they had the Bibles. We closed our eyes to pray. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bibles".

Money? - Paper money was used by the early Chinese and cheques and some related banking systems were developed by Muslims as a way of more efficient trade - not for any religious reason but for reasons of commerce.

What are the creation "theories" that have been changed and modified over the years? Even one example will do.

wobbles>quote'point of this debate - science versus faith'

no bro this is about framing a debate [or not]

see that BOTH are beliefs
[even the faulse belief is yet belief [be it by belief of science deceptions or believing relgions mistakes] [even a beast knows the voice of his master][good/god/light/life OR vile drakness ,war and death

to reply your last point ,
see that a flat earth [creation]was deneyed but by acknowlegment [by the pope] has changed [the 7000 year/day thing changed]

im not a religionist so let them add the changes [but undenieably there have been many[if only via scism [dividing christs house]some even think the son to be the father

but we are drifting from the topic [wether to have the debate]
im trying to say we need to define the different facits of all[both sides are half right half wrong]

i was created BY my mother
i was given life by god
all parents create their children

[words are slippery like good comes from god [god is the only good
and the only life giver]

i may not have replied to all your points [but that isnt the point of these posts [on wether to debate the topic or not]

i say break this huge problem down ;define meanings behind the buzz words

list the first life [then evolve that bacteria [or whatever] into a insect [or whatever]then explain via dna , how this dna found a matching pair [mutations are random ,but corrected by our duplicated genes[resulting in genetic stasis within the species and micro evolution WITHIN the species

all darwins finches WERE yet finches
maCRO EVOLUTION
[into another species]
IS THE DECEPTION

Since you're talking about buzz words, I notice you employ "micro-evolution". That's a made-up term that no-one uses except creationists.

If a wolf can "micro-evolve" into a Pomeranian, why wouldn't apes "macro-evolve" into humans. Oh, that's right - it would upset the ego of people who need to believe that god made them special.

wobbles and one under god,

The Vatican recognized that the Sun is at the centre of the solar system in 1992, stating Galilieo was right after all. Every good thing in its time. :-)

You are correct, of cause; Christians destoyed th daughter library to the Library of Alexander along with its huge collections, going back to at least the time of Ramases II. Actually, Cgristians had be a problem to Romans going bck centuries before Constantine, as I have mentioned, in an old thread, because, they would go sin feasts before committing to adult baptism.

In the late fourth century to good, innocent folk, manic Christians must have seemed to be like the Taliban is today or General Monk in in the time of Cromwell.

Oliver! I tried a banana once' it was very overrated:)

EVO

Oliver! Are we alone? I am 41 religions. Again! I am a planet hunter.
I know what god is. Follow the white rabbit!

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Have fun.

EVO