Steel,
Why do you attend nudist camps?

All activites done at nudist camps are done appropiately clothed outside nudist camps. Do you keep nude photos of other persons at the camp?

Have you asked these persons if you can use these photos to display and show to friends? Have you or your friends ever been sexualy arroused by the photgraphs?

Gibo: << Many are potters, weavers, artists... and photographers.

That town, that I lived in, had much occult and witchcraft in it because the artie-crafties had a strong connection with witchcraft.

For me to suggest that this "High Priest of child porn" would have an occult/witchracft connection would not be incorrect. >>

Yep, it's a witch hunt for sure. Fortunately, at OLO at least, it seems to be being conducted by the village idiots.

Gibo "A walk through the Museum of Contemporary Art in Sydney can a walk through a very dark world of, amongst other things, sexual immorality and drug and alcohol enduced visions."

then do not go.

Simple.

If you cannot handle someone elses sense of self expression, you are at liberty to ignore it.

However, you are not at liberty to deny them the right of personal expression or the freedoms that invokes.

Doubtless if I wandered through the museum of contemporary art,
I would view what is displayed differently to you.

On some things we might agree.

On some thing you find offensive I might find stimulating and

some things I find crass, you might be OK about.

Paul Klee wrote about the five states of a piece of art....

1 The idea in the mind of the artist
2 The execution of that idea
3 The product, the piece of art
4 The viewers impression of that piece of art
5 The viewers intrepetation / response to that impression

Some how I do not think anyone is qualified to declare what should be allowed to happen in 1, 2 and 3 based on 5.

Back in the days of theological autocrisy, the Church defined what could and would be allowed to be executed as "art" they also used to castrate boys to preserve their singing voices.

I think a return to either would be exactly what it would be, a leap backward of around 200 to 500 years.

Bringing back the inquisition, just to ensure artistic compliance also lays along that path.

Philo,

I rarely attend nudist clubs these days. About twice a year. The main reason I now go is to catch up with old friends. I enjoy swimming naked because I don't have to have an uncomfortable wet piece of fabric around my waist. As far as photographs are concerned, It is illegal to photograph anyone in NSW undressed or in a state of undress without their permission (in the case of a minor, without their parent's permission). That rule still applies at nudist venues, and most nudist clubs ban cameras. I do not get sexually aroused by what I see. If I befreind a family at a nudist club and want photos of the family (and their children), I wait until we are all dressed than take a family photo if the parents agree. I spend a lot of time with my nudist friends at clothed venues as well.

By the way Philo, to avoid confusion please address me as Steel Mann, not Steel as there is another poster named Steel on this forum.

Gibo,

I'm glad that despite our differences of opinion we can approach this matter with some maturity and not have the mud slinging we did before. Yes, I've been to the Museum of Contemporaty Art and seen displays by Nan Golden, who to borrow from your post, "sexual immorality and drug and alcohol enduced visions" would be a good way of descibing her work. I've also seen works by Robert Mapplethorpe, and to borrow Kevin Rudd's expression, I find these photos revolting.
That's how art is, some we like some we don't. As far as witchcraft is concerned, as long as they keep to the law, I don't see any reason for police involvement.

Steel Mann I've dabbled in nudism myself, in the past, but I'm not sure about your claim that nudists are less likely to be sexual offenders. I was a nudist for a few years and there were several incidents that took place at the 2 establishments I attended.

Can you post links to the statistics related to sexual offences committed by nudists please?

In hindsight, it was probably a dumb thing for Henson to do. At the very least, an artist should obtain the permission of the parents BEFORE looking at a child, irrespective of whether the modeling is totally nude or fully clothed.

CJ.... chaplains do not.. repeat NOT have "unfettered access" to children. But children DO have unfettered access to a chaplain... unless they are forbidden by their parents.

Their presense is announced or... the times when they are present are made known..and IF a child wishes to seek help/counse/advice/a friend/ a pair of ears... they may choose to avail themselves of the Chaplains time.

Let's ask a different question.. to WHOM would a child go at school for someone to caringly listen to them other than a Chaplain? Sure they can goto a teacher but teachers are busy anyway and I rather doubt they want to get involved in all the problems that disfunctional families create and send to school.....

A chaplain is there to listen more than speak.

CREEEEEPY is how every person I've asked about Hensons visit describes it.
-Service station attendant
-Tech support person at Webhosting company
-Checkout lady at Safeways. x 2

:) yep..it's 4

Don't know the margin for error here but time will tell.