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Henson-High Priest of Art or ?

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'Eventually Christianity will also disappear. The Bible will exist as a source of legends and stories but as nothing else'

Dream on Davidf. I don't know your motives for misrepresenting Christ's teachings but your arrogance is self evident. You can question God's right to send you to hell all you like. The equation is simple. Enter the heaven he created and made available by repenting of your sins and turning to Christ or go to hell with the devil and his followers. To try and dictate to the Creator of the Universe what is right and wrong in your warped morality is like an ant trying to tell an elephant what to so. I hope you wake up to yourself.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 9:46:16 AM
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Runner wrote: "I don't know your motives for misrepresenting Christ's teachings but your arrogance is self evident."

Dear Runner,

Where was I arrogant? What did I misrepresent? I just don't accept a vicious religion that will condemn a person for using one's mind to question.

If I have misrepresented anything please specify it rather than calling me names. Eventually Christianity like all the works of man will disappear. It is arrogant to assume otherwise.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 9:55:32 AM
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Davidf

To question the love of a God who sent His Son to die for a rotter like you and me is nothing short of arrogance.

You wrote:
'Another vicious saying is:

MARK 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to
enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire
that never shall be quenched:

I question Jesus and the New Testament as espousing a God of love. In the above Jesus holds out the promise of eternal torture.'

It would be far less loving if you were not warned of the consequences of your own choice and actions. Telling a kid not to run on a freeway is commonsense. You can choose to turn to a loving God who went through agony for you or you can choose to follow the god of this age and end in hell. Hopefully you will wake up to yourself.

Equating the God of Israel with pagan gods shows your total ignorance. IN actual fact the earth worshipers have more in common with pagan gods. They murder their unborn, promote sexual immorality, champion homosexuality and make up consistent lies about God (just like you have done),
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:01:48 AM
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Dear David F

You said/argued:

a) "According to the New Testament Jesus said "No one comes to the Father but by me" (John 14:6).

then

b) "This text has helped to create a world where adherents of one religion feel compelled to kill adherents of another.">>

a) I support it 100%.. it is a fact.

My point of departure in your total statement was b)

I don't see how this could be, there is no reasonable argument for drawing that conclusion, in fact the opposite is true. There is every reason NOT to embrace such an idea.

In order to explain this, we must focus on what it means to "come to the Father" and who better to explain this than our Lord Himself?

"For God so loved the world.......that He gave His only Son.....

that....

whoever BELIEVES in Him...will not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16

Now..you and I both know, that you cannot for love or money or even torture of the most brutal kind, bring about genuine 'belief' in another individual toward a set of ideas. We also both know that the closest we could ever come is to force a person to mouth words of belief.... under threat of death.

But would that make them a believer?

Would that be a fulfilment of Christs command?

Your assertion flies in the face of the totality of Christ's ministry and teaching... it really does. Does it not occur to you that if Jesus wanted to force people to believe in Him he would not have given His life on the cross..nor would He have rebuked Peter for applying the sword of education to the ear of one of the High Priests slaves when Jesus was arrested. Nor would Jesus have healed the wounded slave.

What you really mean is. "Some people, wrongly, have claimed alliegance to Christianity, and have perpetrated awful, unChristian,unGodly acts in their treatment of others"

We cannot dismiss Christ because of some paedophile Priests. But we CAN dismiss those priests in the light of the Lords life and teaching.
Posted by Polycarp, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:13:20 AM
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Dear Runner,

You called me a liar, but you have not specified any lie I have told. You apparently argue by calling names liked 'rotter', 'liar', "arrogant' and 'immoral' rather than present a cogent argument.

Jesus is not the God of Israel. Jews are monotheists. The God of Israel does not have children, "only begotten son", or otherwise. The pagan gods like Zeus had children with mortals - not the God of Israel. Jews believe in taking responsibility for their own sins. The idea of an entity taking on someone else's sins is a primitive Christian idea. I don't equate the God of Israel with a pagan God. I equate the Christian God with a pagan God.

However, the fact you have different beliefs from me does not make you an immoral person and does not give me the right to call you names. We live in a country with freedom of religion. I am grateful for that. You have the freedom to believe whatever nonsense you choose.
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 11:18:11 AM
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David F.

You dont talk from a place of Real Knowledge.
You talk from a place of theory.
Once you have invited Jesus the Son into your life that, of course, will change and The Holy Bible as Truth will become clear to you.

In the end "all who call upon the Name of The Lord will be saved"...Romans 10:13.

The time is fast coming when world events will bring many here to call on the Name of The Lord... to save them from those events.
Posted by Gibo, Wednesday, 8 October 2008 12:34:52 PM
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