These are the words spoken by a news reporter upon having observed the 'collapse' of WTC 7 at the very end of David Chandler's YouTube broadcast at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44L0-2zL8 :

"It's amazing. Amazing, incredible - pick your words. For the third time today. It's reminiscent of those pictures we have all seen too much on television before when a building was deliberately destroyed by well-placed dynamite to knock at down."

If it was obvious to a news commentator at the time of the 'collapse', why wasn't it obvious to the person who was, until recently, in our midst (and hopefully is no longer) who claims to be a qualified engineer, and why were those of us who dared to also point this out on his forum subject to venom and insults from him?

I think Hans Christian Andersen knew the answer when he wrote the children's fairy tale "The Emperor's New Clothes":

"Is not the cloth magnificent?" said the officer and the Minister who had already seen the weavers' pretended work. "If your Majesty will only be so good as to look at it! What a splendid design! What glorious colours!" And at the same time they pointed to the empty frames because they thought that everyone else could see the wonderful work of the weavers, even if they could not see it themselves.

"How is this?" said the emperor to himself, "I can see nothing! This is indeed terrible! Am I a stupid man, or am I unfit to be Emperor? That would be the worst thing that could happen"

"Oh the cloth is beautiful," he cried out loud, "I am delighted with it," he smiled most charmingly for on no account would he say that he could not see what his officer and his Minister had praised so much.

(http://books.google.com.au/books?hl=en&id=YJHsl3rXNt8C&dq=The+Emperor+has+no+clothes&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=YO_FVt498G&sig=Y4W1iP41vCW8d1tkwKjzFa_I7ZU&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA27,M1)

Dagget

Seeing as you have taken to baiting me I have decided to change my mind and continue on with this thread. I can only hope that by doing so I will annoy you as much as your pedantry has annoyed me.

So,

You say >> “Like when you insisted that John Schroeder was the only Firefight in New York city who attested to having witnessed explosions around the World Trade Center?

That’s an out and out lie and I will ask you to prove it. Which you won’t be able to do.

Molten steel. Firstly what is it that you are suggesting about the molten “metal” found at the site? That explosives were still being used hours/days after the collapses to keep the metal liquid? Clearly if something is molten days later, then it is being heated by something? But what? Or do you think steel stays in its molten state without help?

Secondly, since no molten steel was recovered we don’t even know that the material they were talking about was steel, and not some other metal which burns at lower temperatures.

You say >> “Or when you insisted that the Barry Jenings' tesimony of numerous explosions in WTC7 at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI was of no consequence?”

What is it that you are alleging? That they let off explosives in the buildings 8 hours before the collapse? Is that really what you are suggesting? This is clearly a foolish claim. How is that Jennings survived an explosion which blew out the floor from underneath him? The fact that very little shrapnel was flying points toward the fact that the floor collapse he experienced was most likely due to the damage from the tower collapse.

You say >> Or when you tried to dismiss the accoustic evidence of explosion at WTC 7 in the broadcast at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I ?

Again, we don’t know when or where this explosion occurs or what causes it. What we do know for SURE is that the “truthers” deliberately manipulated footage to mislead viewers in the past.

TBC

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See here for another truther lie. Here is the caption with the photograph linked below. “ The core column shown above the firefighter was discovered after the collapse. The angled cut occurs in exactly the manner that shaped charges slice through steel beams to control the way they fall. Notice the hardened once liquid metal. Was thermite used with the shaped charge?”
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/thermiteonwtccolumns_small.jpg

These columns were cut, after the collapse. Here is the full video http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4
And here
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=related

you say >> “Also, please don't kid yourself that you have done me any kind of favour by having continued to post to this discussion. You know perfectly well that that was not your purpose, nor, for that matter, was it to shed any light on the issue at hand for the benefit of other forum participants.”

It’s amazing how you can know why I do things. Is that a skill you’ve had all your life, or just since the autism took over?

Are you suggesting I’m an agent of disinformation, a gov’t stooge employed to prevent the “truth” from getting out? You should take off your tinfoil hat, the gov’t does not know or care what you are thinking, and there are no gov’t agents parked in cars outside your house, watching your every move. I’ll say it again. NO ONE IS READING THIS EXCEPT YOU AND ME. That you can’t accept this is merely more evidence of your psychosis

I thought Paul's promise to stop posting to this forum was just too good to be true.

Paul, It's funny how you seem so troubled by posts from a "sad little man" to a forum that no-one but you and me are apparently reading.

If I were in your shoes and had truly believed what you wrote, that is, that "anyone who has been reading this already knows (my) reputation is shot" or that "(you) had shown (me) up enough", I would have stopped posting months ago and put my time to much better use.

You claimed that it was an "an out and out lie" when I wrote that "you insisted that John Schroeder was the only Firefighter in New York city who attested to having witnessed explosions around the WTC"

Well, I will admit that you did not say that in so many words. Again, here's what you did write:

"... But FDNY guys were actually there. They are PRIMARY sources in this investigation. Griffin used interviews with dozens of these FDNY guys to highlight his claims of explosions. But can he get ANY of them (besides Schroeder) to stand up and support his claims that there were actual explosives in the buildings? Not that I’m aware of."

It's clear to me that you were trying to lead others to believe that all the "FDNY guys" who "WERE ACTUALLY THERE" except for John Schroeder rejected any suggestion that there were explosions before and during the collapse of the towers, when this clearly was not the case. You implied that Graeme MacQueen had misrepresented the testimony of New York firefighters in his document at http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/Article_5_118Witnesses_WorldTradeCenter.pdf and yet you have not been able to name a single firefighter who has since claimed to have been misrepresented by MacQueen. It's instructive that you fell silent when I showed testimony from firefighter Lou Cacchioli (http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html#Cacchioli) or that all you could say of the testimony from Captain Dennis Tardio and Patrick Zoda at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SXD3bAbZCow http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html#TardioZoda was to falsely accuse me of "hav(ing) introduced (my) own words and placed them in (their) mouths".

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It's clear that the above and quite a few other contributions of yours concerning New York firefighters have been misleading.

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Regarding eyewitness testimony of molten steel: do you dispute the evidence of tons of molten steel found beneath the collapsed towers on the page at http://wtcinvestigation.com/#%5B%5BWorld%20Trade%20Center%20Hot%20Spots%5D%5D much of which I have pasted above, or don't you?

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I see that Paul has again attempted to insult our intelligence and the intelligence of the late Barry Jennings, when he wrote, " ... the floor collapse he experienced was most likely due to the damage from the tower collapse."

Here was my response the last time Paul tried to put that one over us:

"Clearly, in Barry Jennings own recollection, both towers collapsed after the initial explosion. What else would Paul.L maintain could subsequently have occurred that Barry Jennings the Emergency Coordinator for New York City and all the firemen he was with could have possibly have mistaken for the collapse of the two towers?"

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Paul, why won't you stop wasting our time by quoting evidence we can't verify for ourselves?

So how about providing the page on which the image http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/thermiteonwtccolumns_small.jpg is located?

In any case, the caption you quoted is factual. The columns shown in the picture are not the same as those shown in the YouTube broadcast at http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4 so it is possible that the steel in the image was cut by "shaped charges slic(ing) through steel beams."

Dagget,

You say >> “Well, I will admit that you did not say that in so many words.”

You have sub-par comprehension skills which you make up for by just flat out lying, don't you.

You say >> “ It's instructive that you fell silent when I showed testimony from firefighter Lou Cacchioli ... Captain Dennis Tardio and Patrick Zoda ... was to falsely accuse me of "hav(ing) introduced (my) own words ... "

Where does Lou Cachioli say that he believes there were bombs placed in the building? In fact he says the explosions he experienced were due to the collapse of the other tower (a fact that the “truther”quoting him feels he has to deny).

As for Tardio and Zoda, you are LYING again. Here is the post. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#52136

You really are VERY thick aren’t you. I’ll state my point again as simply as I can for you.

Of the hundreds of fire-fighters whose interviews Griffin used (that is of the hundreds of fire-fighters who said things like they heard explosions in their interviews of the days events), only Schroeder has since come out and said that he thought there were actual BOMBS in the buildings. The footage of Tardio and Zoda on the day doesn’t provide any evidence of whether or not they believe they were witnessing ACTUAL BOMBS going off. Cachioli’s testimony doesn’t either.

I know you struggle with plain English but I hope I have got through this time.

It should be instructive, that from all these hundreds of oral records of the day, in which firefighters used the word “explosion”, I know of NONE who claim to have actually witnessed an explosion.

That is , some people have said they thought they heard a sound like a bomb going off, and some people saw flashes, but no-one that I’ve heard of has said, I saw a BOMB go off.

You say >> “None of the firefighters who were cited in Graeme MacQueen's study ... have complained that they were misrepresented.”

TBC