*Strange that it’s now vanished from the thread eh Yabby?*

Not strange at all Dickie dear. No doubt one of the humourless
PC correct sisterhood, complained to the overworked moderators.
I use no language that is not commonly used in the Australian
press. Clearly your constant insults are fine by the sisterhood, their bias does not go unnoticed.

*enough to power 34 homes now goes into the grid.*

Wow, 34 homes heh? When it can be shown to be done economically
for millions of homes, then we have progress. Right now, most
people don't even bother to spend a few bucks on solar water
heating, which has been around for 30 years or longer and is
why alot of that coal is burnt. I at least practise what I preach.
I've had solar water heating for over 25 years now.

Gas is fine in WA, but not a global solution, there is not enough
of the stuff. Secondly gas needs a backup, as we saw in WA, when
the State nearly came to a halt, due to a single burst pipe. Again,
my point is, the future involves lots of energy sources, including
nuclear.

*producing 16% of the world’s energy needs.*

16% of global needs is not to be sneezed at, unlike your
34 houses :) All very quaint, but we'll take more notice, when
there are some real results happening globally. Until then,
best not to talk of shutting industries down, until better ones
are in place. You still rely on coal to log onto OLO. Don't
be so selfish to deny others the right to do the same, using
nuclear, where that is a working option, as in much of Europe.
For that they need our uranium ore.

Dickie,

If you would like to pretend that my suggestion that you must be a luddite for suggesting that we shouldn’t mine anything, is flaming, then you are in for an awful lot of pain on this and many other sites. By the way, your propensity to flame has not gone unnoticed.

You say >> “The Brotherhood of buffoons”

Well dickie I must say. Coming from the group of absolute idiots who are insisting upon turning the Sarah Palin debate into a childish slanging match I really won’t take this too much to heart. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7864#124136
As far as credibility goes, anyone who is anti-mining HAS VERY LITTLE to start with.

Then when you say things like >> “See Rougie Red Lips, That's what you get for playing with pigstails., Poor Porkabell - got a sore bottom sweetie? Swine! Now Rougie's got the porcine plague. Thart'll larn 'im!”

It kind of kills whats left.

So what do we have left? You agree that there is a limit to the amount of wind power that can be integrated into the grid.

Then you say >> “I suggest before your next ad homs you bring yourself up to date with windpower.”

Well I’d suggest you get up to date with electricity networks and how they function. Did you even read the article I posted regarding Denmarks problems with wind power?

You say >> “Now there is a design for a two powered system into one combined system, a hybrid wind and solar technology to guarantee that the power is sufficiently charged in the solar battery everyday.”

But dickie you cannot use batteries for much besides very small current DC devices. Certainly batteries cannot be used for anything which needs more than a modicum of power. Even a single household could NOT be powered economically from batteries. For starters you would need massive batteries and many of them, also you would need an inverter because all of the electrical devices in our homes use AC power. Do you even know the difference between ac and dc power?

cont,

You say >>” I have already touched on the potential for gas supplementing supply whilst technology is improving.”

But gas is a non renewable dickie, that’s one of your arguments against using Uranium. Never mind that there could easily be thousands of years worth of uranium when used in modern nuclear reactors.

You say >> “You like the other shadowy figures who support the nuclear industry refuse to acknowledge that uranium is a fossil fuel..."

Gas is a fossil fuel, that is, hydrocarbons found within the top layer of the Earth’s crust. Uranium is NOT a fossil fuel. Moron.

"Shadowy figure"? I love it, international man of mystery. Actually dickie I’m an engineer, an electrical engineer, and anyone who actually has a clue about nuclear power generally recognizes its benefits in reducing CO2 emissions.

I really don’t know what relevance the “international criminal tribunal for Afghanistan” has to this debate. In fact is has virtually no relevance at all, anytime. Just because a bunch of idiots got together to make a case against Bush doesn’t make it true, or relevant.

you say >> “ we are in crisis mode … It's a result of digging up and/or drilling to extract fossil fuels”

I see, so you're against mining fossil fuels, is that right?

Oh, not all fossil fuels, because apparently Gas is OK for the moment.

Oh hang on you’re also against mining uranium as well.

So did you work out if its OK to dig up metals? Besides uranium of course, which is also a metal?

Airhead.

Congratulations Paul.L. An "electrical engineer" eh? Do we award you a five star Hoppy badge for being the only electrical engineer who bludges his way through the day motor-mouthing on a forum? You could be second largest M/M only to Yabby – who runs a "flourishing" business too. Or are you home waiting for the phone to ring - or free-loading on your boss's computer?

“and anyone who actually has a clue about nuclear power generally recognizes its benefits in reducing CO2 emissions."

“Benefits:”

Olympic Dam 2007: CO 390,000kgs, SO2 1,300,000, VOCs 81,000, PAHs, 37,000 etc etc.

Tailings dams

Spent fuel rods; wastes from reactors that produce plutonium and tritium for nuclear weapons.

High-Level Radioactive Waste

Must be stored for about 240,000

Low-Level Radioactive Waste

Low-level waste gives off small amounts of ionizing radiation; must be stored for 100-500 years before decaying to levels that don't pose an unacceptable risk to public health and safety

1940-1970: low-level waste was put into drums and dumped into the oceans. This is still done by UK and Pakistan

Since 1970, waste is buried in commercial, government-run landfills.

Nuclear Regulatory Commission had estimated a 15-45% chance of a complete core meltdown at a US reactor during the next 20 years.

US National Academy of Sciences estimates that US nuclear power plants cause 6000 premature deaths and 3700 serious genetic defects each year and the “the smallest dose has the potential to cause an increase in risk to humans”.

As for your swill on nuclear there are few Westernised countries who have any new plants under construction - Canada and Japan 2, France 1, Finland 1. Wow! The people have spoken!

Gas is the cleanest of all fossil fuels and is superior to coal for an interim period. An electrical engineer and you didn’t know that? Ahem!

http://www.nfcrc.uci.edu/EnergyTutorial/fossilfuels.html

And if you can't get it, here’s another:

http://www.articlealley.com/article_242489_15.html

“Did you even read the article I posted regarding Denmarks problems with wind power?” Obsolete propaganda from a vapid simpleton - just like the rest of your trash:

http://www.energistyrelsen.dk/sw14294.asp

Batteries and inverters - renewable energy:

http://www.csiro.au/news/SmarterEnergyStorage.html
http://www.busjrnl.com/article/20071112/BUSINESSJOURNAL/71109025/1219

Ahh, Dickie is clearly finding the plain questions too hard to
answer, so best to try and bog em down with the google bar diversion.
5 websites of reading in one post, that should divert em for a while.

Sorry Dickie, it won't work. Now back to the question. Why should
other people not have access to electricity, as you claim for
yourself, when you hook into the WA coal burning power grid?

Yes, some countries have decided on the nuclear power option. That
is their decision, not your decision. Selling them uranium ore
mined in Australia, makes perfect sense.

*Yabby – who runs a "flourishing" business too.*

Yabby certainly does and its not agriculture, which is where it
lands up being spent, for that is my hobby. The thing is, of
the 90 billion $ in social security pensions paid by us taxpayers,
unlike yourself, I don't receive a single cent. You of course
are free to frolic around the old peoples home, at taxpayers
expense! So don't preach to me about what I do with my time and
why.

Back to gas. As we saw in WA, relying on the stuff is a danger to
the economy, so coal is what we burn, with gas as just one limited
option in a field of energy sources. Gas is not the solution,
its just one small solution. Many countries don't have gas as
we do, in WA. So for them to use nuclear power, makes perfect sense.

* Wow! The people have spoken!*

They certainly have! They demand to be able to switch on their
computers and have 24/7 access to electricity, just as you do.
They are also not prepared to pay three times as much as they pay now,
for it. So Govts do what is cost effective.

If you have all the answers to do just that, there is plenty of
venture capital out there, waiting to be invested. But you need
sound evidence to back up your claims, not just dreamer stuff.

Fallacy 1:

“ as you claim for yourself, when you hook into the WA coal burning power grid?”

Fact: I am a green-power customer purchasing accredited renewable energy

Fallacy 2:

“I don't receive a single cent. You of course
are free to frolic around the old peoples home, at taxpayers
expense! “

Fact: I do not live in an old people’s home. I'm not the recipient of a social security benefit, nor have I ever been. You and your unethical and immoral industry are subsidised by the taxpayer!

Fallacy 3:

“Back to gas. As we saw in WA, relying on the stuff is a danger to the economy, so coal is what we burn, with gas as just one limited option in a field of energy sources. Gas is not the solution,its just one small solution.”

Fact: Western Australian sedimentary basins currently hold more than 80% of Australia’s discovered natural gas resources.

The number of developed and producing gas fields has almost doubled over the past decade. Between 2010 and 2020, condensate production from gas condensate fields will play a key role in maintaining WA’s liquid hydrocarbon production in the future.

The forecast decline in gas condensate production is much slower than the decline in oil production. Future gas production is committed to upcoming LNG projects. Australia is strategically located to supply LNG throughout the Asia Pacific region with LNG exports playing an increasingly important role in the Western Australian energy scene.

Outside North America, the Australia/New Zealand region is projected to see the most rapid expansion of natural gas production among all the world regions.

Natural gas is a major world energy source, currently accounting for 25% of the world’s primary energy needs. Australia’s gas reserves are predicted to last for 100 years.

Fallacy 4:

“questions too hard to answer, so best to try and bog em down with the google bar diversion.5 websites of reading in one post, that should divert em for a while.”

Fact: Ethical posters support their claims by providing documented evidence. Liars such as Yabby cannot!

Yabby is a duplicitous, gossiping toad!