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Sharia law in Britain

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Efranke,
I think that accepting multiculturalism doesn’t necessarily mean that we have to blindly accept a tradition a culture brings into Australia that harms others or interferes with other people’s freedom just because it’s traditional somewhere else in the world.
I have no problem rejecting some part of a culture’s traditions when I see that this oppresses others, e.g. women or homosexuals.
But all traditions or faiths must be equally subject to criticism or rejection; we have to be careful to not just target the traditions of immigrant or Aboriginal minority groups.

I can’t see why traditions and faiths shouldn’t be accepted when they don’t do harm or don’t interfere with other people’s (or animal’s) rights or freedom. Can you?
If we leave lots of space for all the positive things cultures have to offer and limit the negative (ones that oppress or interfere with other’s freedom) then why would there be a problem with multiculturalism?

I have never met a person who has traveled a lot and remained closed-minded. Is that because getting in touch with other cultures opens the mind?
No wonder that Australia is such a lucky country- by living here we don’t even have to travel the world to discover different cultures. All we need is to open our mind and welcome the opportunity.

PALE
Let's hope that Rudd uses commonsense!
Posted by Celivia, Saturday, 20 September 2008 12:40:45 AM
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Celiva

You’re kidding.

He was elected by his policy which he promised more migrants.


The point is just for starters we have no water.

Look I have lots of Muslim friends.

Most of them do understand when I speak of real Aussies. Basically I mean the families born here and them Dads and Grandfathers too.

I think it’s only fair when discussing a topic like this that a person has an idea of the background of the other poster.

There was nothing racist about my question to you.

Speaking of the different foods you mentioned.



When I go shopping a spend ages trying to find Australian made products- Especially food.

For example those nice tin tomatoes that are so cheap are fertile with- You know what.


I knew for sure once when I asked the fish and chip shop I have not been given Australian fish- Despite his assurances.

I think it’s was from Vietnam. The whole family was ill.

Who can forget the Chinese arcade in Cairns. Food stacked up so high it doesn’t even meat the Australia health Standards.

Then they jump out and grab our arm and say. You want, you buy, you like.
I just love seeing all of that on holidays. Its sort of fun but it would be a different matter if it was all over Australia to every town I went I can assure you.
Not one Aussie in sight and zero Australia food.

No I don’t want to see my country go like the UK.

Your right about traveling. It does make us appreciate this wonderful country.

I don’t want to wake up before daylight to dreadful noises of someone screeching out at me to get out of bed and pray.


This is Australia and we need to keep the main population as Aussies with Aussie ways and traditions

We have a unique sense of humor and we give more than any other country in donations.
I would hate to see that part of this country bred out.

Long live Australians bushy and its real characters.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 21 September 2008 3:05:46 AM
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Hi PALE
I like the Australian culture, too, but think it’s unrealistic to believe that cultures can remain unchangeable. Cultures are dynamic.
It’s also helpful to keep in mind that ‘real Australians’, from the time they set foot on the Australian land, already had to deal with two cultures- their own and Aboriginal culture.
The new immigrants were intolerant and repressed the Aboriginal’s culture, rather than respecting and embracing it.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Even without immigration, most nations’ cultures go through changes.
Compare a country’s culture hundreds of years ago with today’s and we can see some significant changes and overall people have adapted fine.

Perhaps the problem with immigration is that it makes changes happen rapidly rather than gradually like in naturally changing culture.
That makes me think that cultural changes and immigration are not to blame for some of the problems we face, but that the problems are created by intolerant groups from both sides- not only on the side of the immigrants.
Both can be reluctant to tolerate each other’s cultures and of course this causes tensions between cultures.

So what is the primary problem related to immigration: the speed at which a culture changes, the inability of people to accept rapid changes, the changing culture itself, or intolerance?
I don't really know the answer, just expressing some thoughts.

As I said, tolerating other’s culture doesn’t mean allowing them infringe upon other's privacy, freedom or rights.
So the prayer noises should be one of the things that should not be tolerated.
Muslims who want to pray before daylight have to set their alarm clocks rather than waking up people who do not want to take part.
Who suffers more, a Muslim who has to set his alarm clock or the people who wake up from the prayer calls?
Tolerance and acceptance from both sides and a bit of commonsense go a long way.
Posted by Celivia, Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:41:34 AM
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Celivia is absolutely right when she includes in "real Auusies" those who torture animals in intensive pig farms, battery cages, and meat chicken operations, and sending them on live exports halfway around the world.

Are these people of whom we should be proud? It should be remembered that intensive farming began in the West.

Sharia law is more complex than simple interpretation of the Qu'ran too. There are customs under Sharia Law that no civilised country should even consider adopting in any circumstances. Interpretations of the Qu'ran also include the activities of the group of unsavoury characters recently convicted of forming/being a part of a terrorist cell in Victoria. Their citizenship should be revoked and they should be returned to the countries from which they came, as should be the case of anyone involved in any such activities.

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 21 September 2008 7:38:03 PM
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Hi Celiva

I am grinning from ear to ear at the thought of telling them to set their clocks :) very funny but I am afraid it doesn’t work like that.

(Indeed we had best hope we don’t have too many changes too soon ah.)

Let me assure you I wouldn’t be posting and complaining about their unholy din before daylight if they were running the country.
Nor would anybody else.

One of our people has just retuned from ME and entertained us by describing his sleepless trip. Having to attend many meetings he would often get it at 2am etc... Then of course the prayer calls before dark:
All very funny but my point is I would like to see Australia go that way any time soon.

Nicky

Real Aussies don’t. You’re quite right. Real farmers don’t. You always mistake this cruel industry. I don’t know one ‘real farmer' that approves of live exports or intensive farming.

Its our Parliament and the politicians that make this possible by turning a blind eye to suffering animals in return for political donations and other favors from the off shore shipping agents.
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Real Aussies farmers have been sold our brought out of bullied out by large corp operations that have off shore interests and ownerships.

Real farmers didnt give consent to use Sharia Law in domestic Abattoirs in Australia either.
Our very own low life state Governments did.

Fact is we do have Sharia Law in Australia not just Britian. Its just that the public are kept in the dark and the horrors that goes on is not reported because dometic plants come under DPI.

Maybe we should Ban politicians . I would have thought Hugh might have raised this in all these years?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:03:44 PM
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If there is any evidence that Sharia law is being practiced in Australia then I suggest it be posted here.

The people who keep pigs and chickens and breed and sell animals for live exports are - guess what - Australian FARMERS. There is no compromise available. They are FARMERS. They may be other farmers who don't, but please, spare us the "great Australian bush/farmer" analogy. They haven't been "ripped off" by anyone, they have made certain choices, which have been facilitated by governments and to an extent by the RSPCA; they cannot now claim injury because their practices are being exposed. What in particular is Wirthless supposed to have raised, and how do you know he hasn't?

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 21 September 2008 10:25:40 PM
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