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Sharia law in Britain

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Mjpb,

Calm down.

The scope of what may be arbitrated is limited.

Arbitrators do not have the right to deprive people of life or liberty. Nor do they have the right to impose any form of punitive damages.

In criminal matters arbitrators usually do not have jurisdiction – which is what makes me so uneasy about allowing them to deal with cases involving DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Thursday, 18 September 2008 11:03:24 AM
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It is somewhat ironic that many of the socialist who champion the cause of 'multi culturalism' scream the loudest when those cultures start to impose their world view. Islam like secularism hold little value for life and has warped morality (hence many secularist hate Christianity but endorse Islam). Well no doubt, as we continue to murder 80000 plus unborn each year and Muslims breed with many wives you don't need to be a rocket science to see the outcome. Many of the Securalist say we are doomed anyway due to global warming so what's the problem?

The good news is that from day one of Creation and before the Lord God of Israel has not left His throne. His Son is the one each and every man, woman and child will bow their knee to (voluntary or reluctantly). Islam will be destroyed but not before much more destruction. Our nation only has itself to blame for its stupidity in embracing the lie of Darwinism, socialism, atheism all for a little immoral pleasure. Thankfully day after day Jesus is still saving sinners like me and all who come to Him. The godless remain arrogant and proud but will soon face.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 18 September 2008 12:03:50 PM
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"Calm down."

I'm okay but the Islamic thing is a little hard to get to grips with and yes Polycarp I can empathise. I suspect many people struggle but just end up in different places often unfortunately too extreme. It is a little bewildering viewing Islamic societies from a society where debate is pitched at the level of "gay marriage" or whether it is a sin with legality being seen as an antiquated issue and observing the sharia approach used in 7 countries. That then has to be reconciled with moderate Muslims but in a mainstream moderate UK Mosque these apparently express extremist views and it is reported that the Islamic religion condones lieing to outsiders to appear moderate. I'm confident that there is such a thing as moderate Muslims but am bewildered as to what to think of the religion as a whole. Lets not forget the multicultural arbitration, apparently mainstream, where women's testimony is worth half of mens'. We need to ensure that we don't go off on some dangerous xenophobic tangent based on a bit of media sensationalism nor to remove protection for women for domestic violence if they live in the wrong community. Tolerance is called for. But I believe that it is hard for casual observers to get a grip on the issues.

"The scope of what may be arbitrated is limited.

Arbitrators do not have the right to deprive people of life or liberty. Nor do they have the right to impose any form of punitive damages."

Celivia said something about whether the UK will need to introduce death sentences and others have since made similar comments. From a sharia law perspective that does seem to be a live issue but the limitations of arbitration do address that in this context. Thank you for pointing that out.

"In criminal matters arbitrators usually do not have jurisdiction – which is what makes me so uneasy about allowing them to deal with cases involving DOMESTIC VIOLENCE."

Particularly given marital and community pressures to "volunteer" for this form of arbitration as has been pointed out.
Posted by mjpb, Thursday, 18 September 2008 12:11:29 PM
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runner

"It is somewhat ironic that many of the socialist who champion the cause of 'multi culturalism' scream the loudest when those cultures start to impose their world view."

First of all Liberals and Conservatives have also embraced multiculturalism and were responsible for increasing the immigration thresholds despite being one of the driest continents.

And we are not screaming the loudest just equally alongside others who uphold the same desire for Common Law.

Just because one minority group wishes to impose Sharia Law does not mean we should jump to the conclusion that all immigrant groups wish to advocate for same.

My father along with many other immigrants arrived in Australia and embraced the culture happily integrating into the communities he lived in.

This one aberrant issue should not be used as an excuse to discriminate against different cultural groups.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 18 September 2008 1:09:58 PM
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pelican

I happen to agree with you. I am thankful for the richness of many cultures in this land however the blindness and stupidity of people who fail to see that some belief systems are not compatible with freedom is astounding. It sounds like your father is the type we should be encouraging to come rather than those with other agendas.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 18 September 2008 2:04:44 PM
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If Sharia Law is introduced here or anywhwere else the people do not get a say. You do not disobey Allah. There is no seperation what so ever from law to religion.
I am afriad your comment is very misguided. This is not a anti Muslim post either. Its simply a fact.

People must only obide by these laws which controls everything. It controls what you eat how you dress- what you dress in . The materials and also how you cook and whzat does into the cooking.

It also controls such things as make up hair . The list is endless.
Unless its been blessed by Allah you dont touch because its Haram.

Your Dad might not have followed his faith and their ways and that of course his good luck he came to a country where he was free to choose.

However not everybody is is repaired to turn their backs on what has been the only laws they have ever known and do what is considered a sin in their Gods eyes I can assure you.

Most of them are not capable to think for themselves because they have been allowed to.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 18 September 2008 2:11:39 PM
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