well not INTO super, but you are missing the point re Future Fund

and they still HAVE their homes

these are the FF recipients, ie what Paddy McGuiness forecast 14 years ago as the huge drain on our kids in the future ie the millions of public servants on UNFUNDED SUPER, all wanting to cash in

if you don't know, unfunded means they simply put a few dollars a week in but they retire on a DEFINED BENEFIT of 5/8 of retirement salary

but Costello eased burden on kids starting out working by ROBBING it from the putative pensioner [especially the "selling off the farm" of Telstra], while advocating raising the pension age to 67 [men only]

see how crooked it is?

so can we get back to reality and stop the red herrings re pokies

other thing is the maths, even IF you rate Costello's theft as ethical and Constitutional

he robbed each pensioner of 30 grand and the sky did NOT fall in

in fact he still had a budget surplus - OK he ran down education, health etc but still got by

so clear the slate for next year and now Kevin '07 is saying we cant afford say $1,500 extra to each pensioner

HUH?, that sounds like Bush-nomics to me

also Kev 07 as Leader of the Inspiration said he would take a lousy 5 billion from FF to give us a proper broadband and Costello was crying out about starving policemen etc

so now he is in power he could give us back the WHOLE 65 billion if he wanted

... if he wanted

golly gosh, seems silence says my argument won again

so is there a lousy $30 to be found for pensioners?

but seeing as I am male, and was conscripted for Vietnam, would it be possible to arrange for my pension at 60 as is the case for wimmen, and those OFFICIALLY called veterans

why can't I be a veteran too?

I don't ask to be treated as "equally" as wimmin [no man would dare], but surely you people I saved from the Yellow Peril could grant me just 2 years earlier for pension, ie at 63

that would cancel out the 2 years I was forced to serve

anyone at all with compassion out there for an old "putative digger"?

the $30 can wait

We here you 'rambo' but we're just the contributors, not the policy makers mate.

I do however think the answer has been found and made loud and clear.

On the frount page of the australian today it is reveled that 42.2% of ALL families effectively pay zero tax.

Another revelation this week was that the former QLD boss, mr goss, admited that his worst descision was to introduce poker machines into our state.

$5,500,000 is lost in poker machines EVERY DAY!

I hate to say I told you so, but!

you say

"I do however think the *answer has been found* and made loud and clear."

and then you quote taxes and pokies [and not just via the assumed wrinklies and their assumed pokie habits]

but you did not quote anything re how pubic servants screwed the HONEST worker of 65 billion

so please tell me how that helps pensioners or how it explains the Dash for OUR Cash via those of you sucking on the Future Fund

nor does it explain why Vietnam conscripts are treated like shi*, and not even ON the lowest perch in the chook pen

ie if pensioners DO get the rediculous $30 pw, I DON'T

and what has happened to all the other bleeding heart contibutors?

cat got your tongue?

Minders told you to stop your mantra as game is up?

Sorry about that had a footy party planned. F-K-W.

Well I don't know who screwed you over mate but they shore did a good job because you appear to be bitter to the core. Did you receive you injuries while at service?

I did not say that the $5.5 million per day was all seniors dollars, but you can be in denial as long as you wish if you think that a large portion of pensions does not end up in these machines. As goss says "the ones who play the most are the ones who can least afford to loose".He said it, not just me!

Imagine a system that rewards the contributor while the non-contributor struggles. Whereby the more taxes you pay throughout your working life the higher the pension you retire on.

Now this would encourage small and big business to pay ALL their taxes. As it stands now the harder you work the less the rewards. This is a major reason why so many business won't pay tax. They see the bludgers receiving everything while they themselves continue to work.

Remember, 42.2% of families receive more in welfare than they pay in tax.(Almost half) So there is only 57.8% left to top up these one's share and pay all the bills

Now I know that I am going to wake up some of the 42.2% but that's just tough. Let's see if they can respond without the personal insults. Now there's a challenge!

As long as there are to many hands in the cookie jar there will never be enough to go around.

How can it be that one can leave school, choose to have a large family and get paid to stay at home. Don't forget, they now get paid to have the family as well, all thanks to us 57.8 per-centers.

This is where the real answer lies.

1. curb the hand outs so we can look after our seniors.
2. Reward the contributors not the non-contributors.
3. Remove the pokies

Now this may not solve the problems, but it's a start.