That's a pretty astonishing thread hijack, even for you Porky. To try and turn a discussion about household electricity usage into your tedious 'whack-a Mozzie' mantra is quite bizarre, even by Porkycarp standards.

I think your brain must've really exploded after all.

I dunno Jason. I mean, good on you for starting new general threads. But you don't seem interested in discussing the issues.

I've asked direct questions, directly related to the subject...and I get no response. Very perplexing.

The point from my first post is that there is not a whole lot of point in trying to reduce per-capita consumption of power or any resources in order to reduce our overall consumption and rate of waste production, if the number of capitas is just going to rapidly increase with no end in sight.

It's worse that this. With the current growth-at-all-costs mentality, if we all reduce our personal rates of consumption, we are actually facilitating the increase in the number of consumers that can be supported by the same resource base, thus leading to bigger environmental impacts.

Comeon, it is just crackers to not consider all the aspects of both supply and demand when it comes to climate change and sustainability.

Ludwig You must be having me on;
You miss the issue altogether.
I am not talking about reducing your power consumption. I am saying we can produce an amount of home grown power instead of getting the lot from the grid. Houses can produce their own power, feed it into the grid which you get paid for, then you buy it back from the grid+extra power you are not supplying yourself. That means coalfired electricity will be greatly reduced.

Thanks Jason. But you haven't answered my questions. In fact, you haven't addressed my point at all.

Sure we can all be more frugal and many of us can produce some of our own power and perhaps feed some back into the grid. But what's the point if the whole kaboodle is just going to forever get bigger and bigger, and forever place more pressure on our resource base, until it comes up against insurmountable obstacles?

This is my point - the whole country, and planet, needs to limit the scale of its operations. There's no point in becoming ever-more efficient at the personal level if the number of personal operations continues to rapidly and never-endingly grow.

With respect, you are looking at one small aspect of the subject, and apparently seeing it in isolation and not as part of a bigger issue. That is, you're not looking at it in a holistic manner.

Jason, the amount of coalfired power will not be greatly reduced if a large number of people start feeding power into the grid, if at the same time there is a large additional number of people moving into out cities and towns that need power from the grid who are not feeding anything into the grid.

Continuous rapid population growth dilutes, cancels out or perhaps completely overwhelms efforts to implement home-grown power and grid supplement set-ups.

Ludwig The resource base has a tendancy to shift with the advancement of technology.
The second paragraph is not going to happen.
These people coming in need to reside somewhere;- Therefore the dwelling has already got grid feed power set up already.