"YEP ! and more crap is being dished up because a lot of clear thinking people just give up in despair. We'll just have to repeat history & wait till Labor ruins everything & then start again with a conservative lot. As long as there are morons there will be a left. pretty simple really."

Gosh and here I was thinking that this Labor government has very little to distinguish itself from it's Conservative counterparts.

Tell me what are the differences between the two tweedles on economic conservatism, free trade, globalisation, Gunn's pulp mill, plight of pensioners and corporate welfare?

The ALP does not represent the Left anymore than the Nationals represent farmers.

Pelican,
you do of course have a good point there. In my view tough the differences are not in the parties, they're in the supporters, once the left supporters get a free reign within the immoral public service everything goes wrong. The supporters of the right are made up of industry & general revenue producing sectors. That's why labor always blows the dough & the conservatives roll it & put it into the oven.

Individual
The supporters are irrelevant - once the government is elected the supporters no longer have any real power.

I work in the public service and I assure you that there are many from the Right, particularly in the senior ranks as a carry over from the Howard government. It really does not matter what political persuasion as public servants are supposed to carry out their duties in an apolitical way.

Are you really arguing that the public service is immoral? The elected Government governs the public service and determines policy not the other way around.

Public servants are easy targets and I can be critical of PS mentality, lack of transparency and accountability at times but overall it is the PS that provides, roads, hospitals, schools, a police force and other services essential to our communities. The issue is for more open and transparent government not only from our politicians but our bureaucrats.

Labor has lost a large chunck of Left supporters to the Greens.

individual your description is partisan and likely to be incorrect.

i'm sick and tired of people on the right being so partisan, ignorant and delusional. stop reading party doctrines and repeating party mantras. it's rubbish. eg.

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Jason Koutsoukis
July 29, 2007

THE Howard Government's reputation for "small government" is in tatters, with new figures showing a massive expansion of the public service over the past five years.

Total public service employee numbers for the 2007-08 financial year have reached 242,426 - a 28per cent increase since 2000.

Are you really arguing that the public service is immoral?
Yes, Pelican
Total public service employee numbers for the 2007-08 financial year have reached 242,426 - a 28per cent increase since 2000.
Yes Steel, that is a most unfortunate fact.