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Free speech Technology and Deception

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According to this video, very skillfully put together on Youtube....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Fws4RxWtnOg&feature=related

President Bush admits to

-An Addiction to weapons of mass destruction
-An Intention to kill multitudes of US citizens.
-Resolve to bring sudden Terror
-being a tyrant.

etc..

This is not a difficult thing for anyone with an audio/Video mixing software package to achieve... and clearly it is a hotch potch of soundbites taken from many sources and spliced together.

I can think of a few OLO contributors who would be inclined to believe this video at face value because it fits like a glove to their pre-existing prejudices.

The problem is... this can only occur because of freedom.... but where could such things lead?
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 18 August 2008 6:31:08 AM
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Along the same lines, is this one.

Reported in Snopes, Augustin Cebada allegedly says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hw1CzOhnis

Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets;(Aztlan political/militant movement)

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over."

REALITY.. if one listens to the vid closely, you can see it was not Cebada who said part of that..it was (apparently) a woman among the Mexicans.....

If the video is genuine, which is a best questionable at this point, as video is much more difficult to splice believably than audio, and this 'video' uses still images like the Bush one....but if true, then it would indeed be great cause for alarm and concern.

Then again.. it remains unclear.

Here is an image of population breakdown of the South Western USA..
http://web.stratfor.com/images/northamerica/map/4_4_latino_us_978.jpg

Demographically, it has a rather strong message. But if pushed beyond a certain limit.. the situation could provoke a very ugly reaction.

Historical wounds to ethnic nationalistic pride, through battles which are vividly remembered, will, if exploited, stir trouble of an enourmous scale.

The interesting factor in most of this is the close invovlement and connection of the Marxist/Communist/Socialist element....

This is not unexpected, as they seek to raise their profile on the back of any issue of grievance.. just as in Australia with the RMIT protest.(Mosque)
http://www.sa.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1694&Itemid=1
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 18 August 2008 8:24:50 AM
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Uh-oh, another keyboard soaked in coffee.

Boaz, you are truly astounding sometimes.

>>I can think of a few OLO contributors who would be inclined to believe this video at face value because it fits like a glove to their pre-existing prejudices.<<

On occasions too numerous to mention, you have used YouTube videos to buttress a tottering argument.

Not just on the odd occasion, but so often that it has been specifically brought to your attention.

Now you tell us that they might not be all they pretend to be.

Well hallebleedin'luia.

Would you now like to apologize to us all for your many previous sins of YouTube-related commission, or shall we simply take it for granted?
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 18 August 2008 8:30:52 AM
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I just had a bit of splutter myself.

Duh Boazy - why do you think that most of us have always regarded your YouTube evidence as dubious at best? Not that I'm surprised that you get sucked in, given your predilection for posting "deceptive" information, even after its incorrectness has been pointed out to you - e.g. the homophobic pastor you are fixated by.

Clearly it's only a problem for you if the deception doesn't fit your screwy ideas.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 18 August 2008 9:26:30 AM
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Pericles & CJ

Boazycarp clearly uses the same powers of deduction with Youtube as he does religious texts.

I'll know that the world is indeed in crisis, when Boazy actually posts something that is honest, straight forward, sincere and no hidden agendas.

I guess that would be the OLO equivalent of 'pigs flying'.
Posted by Fractelle, Monday, 18 August 2008 10:52:38 AM
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Polycarp “The problem is... this can only occur because of freedom.... but where could such things lead?”

We have rules for libel and slander.

Problem, it is almost impossible for a person in one country to sue for libel in another country (which may not even have similar laws).

This is the downside of a ‘freedom’ without responsibility of accountability.

It is one of those indicators of when something crosses the line from libertarianism to become anarchy.

Since many people take to themselves the anarchistic right to illegally and immorally defame others with impunity, the responsibility needs to be placed back on the operators of youtube (or who ever administers the particular service) by making them jointly responsible for the slanders or libels their service promotes, regardless that they are not the originators, unless they remove it with urgency.

In this way the freedom of speech we all take as sacrosanct is unimpaired but the responsibility and accountability for the libel is not left as a blemish on that freedom of speech.
Posted by Col Rouge, Monday, 18 August 2008 1:02:28 PM
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