I heard through the grapevine that a request by daggett to open a separate discussion on "9/11" has been initially refused, so it looks as if discussion is to continue, it will have to continue here.

The 9/11 truth movement has responded to the Popular Mechanics material referred to by Paul.L in the article "Popular Mechanics Attacks Its '9/11 LIES' Straw Man" at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050208093000680 and in "Book Review: Debunking 9/11 Myths, by Popular Mechanics" at http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070402105006226

I have just listened to a radio debate between Richard Gage, AIA, of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth (http://www.ae911truth.org/) and Michael Shermer of Skeptic Magazine first broadcast on Oakland's KKGN 960am radio this last Thursday, September 18th.

AR911 represents 475 architects and engineers who question the official US govt version of the 9/11 attacks and who are demanding a proper investigation into the 9/11 attacks.

Michael Shermer a supposed scientific skeptic put up what I thought was an astonishingly week case. He avoided discussing the scientific evidence and instead focused on peripheral issues:

* Osama bin Laden confessed to it, so that settles it.
* What Richard Gage was alleging against the company who serviced the elevators in the Twin towers was (gasp!) libellous. (Now many 'skeptics' does anyone know who are in favour of discussion being suppressed by libel laws)
* It was just too big a conspiracy so it can't have happened.
* The Bush administration was not competent enough to have pulled it off. (Gage responded: perhaps, but there were plenty of private corporations who were.)

"Skeptic" Michael Shermer (who also once promoted Bjorn Lomborg's ridiculous "The Skeptical Environmentalist") opposed Gage's demand for a proper new investigation even though Gage had shown that a lot of evidence had not been considered by the original 9/11 investigation.

Gage questioned why $40 million was spent on the investigation of the Monica Lewisnky affair but less than $1 million (don't remember the precise figure.) was spent investigating the 9/11 attack, which didn't seem to trouble Shermer.

I urge anyone who has any doubts to listen to the debate "Were the World Trade Towers brought down by controlled demolition?" at http://noliesradio.org/

If the 9/11 truth movement are so wrong, then I would expect Shermer to have shot down Gage in flames.

Having heard the debate lasting 1 hour I am convinced that the U.S. government's case looks very suspicious and that they are hiding something.

Iamjoseph,

If you went to those sites I supplied you would see that I too believe that this conspiracy sh!t is for the soft brained among us. Years ago the same people would have been convening in Nevada at the site of area-51, right after their star-trek convention. Or demanding an independent inquiry into crop circles. Some people have such boring lives that the idea that the reality is almost always the simplest explanation (aka occams razor), hurts too much.

The two sites I posted dismantle the bullsh!t that the conspiracy theorists are peddling.

Cacofonix,

Ive read the response by the 9/11 truth idiots. It has to be some of the weakest writing I’ve had the misfortune to have to read.

They say >> “Superficially, the topics appear to address the major physical evidence issues brought up by the skeptics (while ignoring the mountains of evidence of foreknowledge, motive, and unique means possessed by insiders)”

So they’re saying forget the physical evidence, what about the circumstanstial evidence. They’re saying someone else could have done this because they had a motive? That it must have been an inside job because 1 person in an organization of 100’s of thousands new that a wanted person was taking flying lessons. Finally they’re saying that the because the US gov’t has high end capabilities, they must have done it.

Secondly,

You say >> “He avoided discussing the scientific evidence and instead focused on peripheral issues:”

Popular Mechanics and debunking 9/11 both discuss the scientific evidence, the later in some depth. As I have shown above, the response has been, “ forget the physical evidence, what about the circumstantial evidence”

Your assertion >> If the 9/11 truth movement are so wrong, then I would expect Shermer to have shot down Gage in flames.”

What? WTF? Your argument is that because one skeptic couldn’t totally convince you that something that didn’t happen, didn’t happen, the movement must be correct. Have you EVER thought how difficult it is to prove that you didn’t do something. In general, NOT doing something rarely leaves any evidence of its non-occurrence, funnily enough.

So Cacofonix, NONE of the 9/11 truth movements 5 most important points about that day relate to physical evidence. They are all circumstantial. What is the physical evidence, or have the so-called “truth” movement given up on that

Paul.L, see my comment in the new discussion thread "9/11 Truth" at
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2166#46009