Antiseptic “heroin that was either extra strong, or was diluted with something else toxic.Heroin, per se, is not especially hazardous.”

Whilst heroin may not be “especially hazardous” its “danger” is in its addictive properties.

To feed the addiction, the addictive is required to accommodate the demands of the drug dealer who, to improve his profits, ‘cuts’ heroin with whatever comes to hand, be it toxic or not.

Such an action, the calculated introduction of a possible toxic compound for injection, displays the callous, cold blooded and indiscriminate attitude taken by drug dealers which results in near and actual death.

It is this “callous, cold blooded and indiscriminate” recklessness and disregard for humanity which qualifies the drug dealer as a serial murderer and hence why I would support a death penalty for second offense drug dealers.

Antiseptic, defend the scum of the earth all you like. All your protestations will never make them any more than what they are, parasites and vermin, willingly killing other people to fuel their personal greed.

Parasites and vermin hold no social or community value. We are better off with them dead than polluting the air we breath.

If you think that is getting a little emotional, you might be right but it is very simple, I like to live in a clean house and environment, not one infested with parasites and vermin.

“No doubt there are those here who would be happy to see public lynchings, "dispensing with the issue of doubt", but I'm not among them.”

Strange, I see not one single post which suggests either.

Maybe you could point me to what you are referring or are you just posting for dramatic effect?

Col Rouge: "Whilst heroin may not be “especially hazardous” its “danger” is in its addictive properties.

To feed the addiction, the addictive is required to accommodate the demands of the drug dealer"

Did you read what I wrote, or did you go immediately into rant mode? I suggested that it should be regulated and legalised, just as other drugs of addiction, such as alcohol, nicotine and caffeine have regulations pertaining to their lawful use, and more especially, sale. The thing is that if drugs were sold for their intrinsic value, nobody would have much financial incentive to sell them on. Instead, people are "required to accommodate the demands of the drug dealer".

It's a pure case of market forces driving prices up. Ah, that's right, I keep forgetting you're a big fan of free-market capitalism. As you were.

special comment for col rouge , you want to refraze your comment in the child abuse post where you say a person who is raped as a child becomes a pedophile you are one sick mother _ucker that needs to get real help for your brain

as for this comment ,the death pealty should be here for the purpose of those who kill and those who rape our children

you condemed other people about their comments on this subject saying the odd things such as no for the death penalty then yes make up your mind as your very first post states you are for it then you later go on in the topic in a new post saying no to it


also those who are in goal for the most cruelest crimes should not live

as stated by the name of ,the murphys and co offenders baker and crump of which crump changed his name to taylor in maitland goal in 1983,even you should of known that col rouge

luthwaite is another that should die ,so should luke wickens who kidnapped the little girl out of her charlestown home and destroyed her

ivan milat and their are many many more i could mention they are the one's who need death by hanging or the firing squad

as for you col rouge you have seen and covered up for the goverment like the rest of those who worked in these institutions

you don't know how us victims live and suffer with the rapes and abuse that happend to us as children

you stated a long time ago you worked for the correction's department so you know im not lying about the rapes and abuse that happend to us victims in the states institutions

do the crime do the time if it means death so be it

the forgotten australians are victims of those who worked at the institutions in the state of new south wales and all other states of australia who raped and abused us when we were children in their care

huffnpuff

Col,
I agree that killers should be prosecuted and punished.
Nobody who’s responsible for the death of another, including leaders such as George Bush, should be above the law.
However, under no circumstance,could I agree with the death penalty.
Even IF the judicial system were flawless, the DP is primitive, barbaric and uncivilised.

Should judges, juries or others involved and responsible for the execution of the innocent be prosecuted for negligence with which they’ve handled the case?

As for drug dealers, you may already know my stance on drugs. It’s similar to Antiseptic’s view: decriminalise/legalise them.

I’m a very moderate drinker of wine- I love just one (pre-) dinner glass of good red.
Yet, I’ve watched several alcoholics, one very close to me, die of the effects of alcohol so I’m very aware of the bad effects it can have. It's all about responsibility and moderation.

Like with alcohol, many other drugs can enhance the enjoyment and quality of life without badly destroying someone’s health when used responsibly. I simply don’t understand the logic used for banning some drugs and not others.

Shouldn’t people be free to choose what to put into their own body, whether it’s high quality health food, transfats and other crap, alcohol, tobacco, or any other drugs?

TRTL,
” I just think that financial price is worth it to know we live in a society that doesn't condone premeditated killing.”
I agree, but am not convinced that a life sentence is more costly than the death penalty but I’m not overly eager to take too much trouble to find out, as the outcome wouldn’t change my stance.

HuffnPuff,
Murder in addition to rape would mean less risk for the rapist than rape alone if rape and murder would receive the same punishment.

Cevilia “I agree that killers should be prosecuted and punished.
Nobody who’s responsible for the death of another, including leaders such as George Bush, should be above the law.”

And

“Should judges, juries or others involved and responsible for the execution of the innocent be prosecuted for negligence with which they’ve handled the case?”

Then mount a prosecution of George Bush and those who are you think are negligent.

Apply due process and see how well you fair.

(But I don’t rate your chances).

Re illegal and legal drugs and the alcohol versus heroin debate

Get heroin legalized and you will have moved forward but until you do it remains illegal and a criminal act to traffic in it privately.

“Shouldn’t people be free to choose what to put into their own body,”

Show me where I have ever suggested using heroin or other illegal drugs should be outlawed.

Everything I have written has been to attack the trafficking and dealing in illegal drugs, not in the personal use of them.

As for the case you and antiseptic put for decriminalization, I love it when folk claim the war of drugs is not working… when they have no comparison to the effects on society if these drugs of dependency were not illegal.

So I will give you one. When opium was introduced to China from India around 1860, its use became wide spread, and by 1905, one quarter of the male Chinese population became addicted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium
http://www.aihw.gov.au/publications/phe/sdua00/sdua00.pdf

use of illicit drugs remains currently in the 2-4% range (this figure gets lumped in with alcohol sometimes and also whole of life use where someone like me who smoked pot three times is included as a “user”, to make it seem more significant ) of course, “addiction” rates are way less than one-time-use rates.

So how would you fancy this society of ours dealing with a 15 time increase (to around 2 ½ million) in the number of junkies and assorted crack-heads lurching from fix to fix?

I figure life would become pretty crap for both users and non-users.

Thanks Banjo for your agreement. The issue of penalties for drug dealers is a difficult one and not something I expect to see change to what I would like but at least if I can influence enough folk we will move closer to getting some sanity into sentencing and punishments which fit the crime. Which I am pleased to see includes expropriation of their ill gotten gains. No point in banging these criminals up only to release them to live of their invested wealth, acquired with the blood of dead drug addicts,

Huffnpuff ” say a person who is raped as a child becomes a pedophile you are one sick mother _ucker that needs to get real help for your brain”

I have not made such a statement.

Please support your claim by giving us all a posting (thread / date etc) reference to where I am supposed to have said it.

As for someone who may become a pedophile because they were a victim-

We all remain responsible for our own actions, regardless of what may have been done to us.

I see no merit or mitigation for excusing anyone for the disadvantages of their past.

Such a policy of exemption is the road to ruin for us all, being where no one is accountable for anything.

“as for you col rouge you have seen and covered up for the goverment like the rest of those who worked in these institutions”

When you can prove that libelous claim, prosecute me.

I cover up for no one. Never have, never will.