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The Australian's Rome correspondent, Father Paul Kelly concludes his puff piece in the Weekend Australian by begging the question, 'Meanwhile Australian's can ponder what sort of secular state they want.'

Well, Paul, you can put your glasses down; they have.

For starters they want democracy in their major institutions. Joseph Ratzinger presides over an exclusive, undemocratic, boys-own theocracy.

They want pluralism. They don't mind other people having different opinions, in fact they will defend the right of other people to disgree with them.

The want equal opportunity for their daughters. The Catholic Church is the last bastion of misogyny.

They want to be members of a tolerant society. The Catholic Church's answer to tolerance is 'Go to hell'. This is the organisations that invented the crime of blasphemy to protect its intolerance and would still be burning people at the stake if good men hadn't stopped them.

They respect the right of people to fall in love with members of their own gender.

They want to protect the innocence of their children. They don't want them fondled and brutalized by Catholic clergy. (They haven't yet woken up to that fact that their children are still being indoctrinated into a pernicious philosophy.)

Australians are definitely in favour of keeping private matters private. They've put their hands up for sex before marriage, for contraception, for the freedom to have an abortion when they need one, and the option to end their lives with the dignity of euthanasia. Joseph Ratzinger wants to climb into the back seat of every car, peer under every blanket and jump into every hospital bed.

They want the freedom of a guilt-free existence. The Catholic Church ...

It goes on and on. In the arena of values, throughout it's long history, the Catholic Church has had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future that Australians have decided for themselves that they want.

So Paul, while marauding hoards of orange back-packed Catholic zealots are running amok in our cities, the answer to your question, 'Does Ratzinger have anything to offer Australia?' is a resounding no.
Posted by Frank_Blunt, Sunday, 13 July 2008 10:27:01 PM
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God is not about to give up the planet He created to god deniers. They are throwing tantrums and demanding the right to be their own gods. For a short period He will allow that. Many have been handed over to their own lusts. We see John Lennon philosophy and he is in the grave, we see the beatles and most of them are in the grave, we see Gandhi and he is in the grave, we see Buddha and he is in the grave. Thank God that the grave of Christ was and is empty.

The secularist want to kill the unborn, continue to promote promiscuity, pretend that evolution is science and then say the most ridiculous things at funerals about people who lived godless lives. You might want want want want. It is a pity you don't seek God and you will find forgiveness in Christ instead of being so arrogant.
Posted by runner, Monday, 14 July 2008 7:48:43 AM
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Good one runner.
PS: I think euthanasia is the cowards way out.
Posted by Gibo, Monday, 14 July 2008 8:45:16 AM
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Frank,

I concur with much that you have posted but this

>> "The Catholic Church is the last bastion of misogyny."

really? The last bastion? What about the Islamo-facists?
Posted by Paul.L, Monday, 14 July 2008 2:29:49 PM
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Paul,

I'm happy to stand corrected. You're quite right.

Frank
Posted by Frank_Blunt, Monday, 14 July 2008 2:50:22 PM
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Dear Frank,

I agree with most of what you said in
your opening post.

However, I'm not so sure about the Pope.
Only because to me, he's an enigma.
I've heard that he's an intellectual,
a theologian, and so forth. But other
than that he's a bit of a shadowy
figure.

I'd like to know what he really thinks.
Where he stands on certain issues.
And whether he's like Cardinal Pell,
who's more about exclusion, than
compassion.

I suspect I know the answers, but I'd
really like to hear the man speak.

I can only hope that he won't be small-minded,
espousing the same wooden cadences of the past.
Because this world could really do with hope,
and healing, instead of sermons that have little
meaning in today's modern world.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 July 2008 3:49:03 PM
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Foxy

Don't expect to hear much from this bloke, he's not hear to talk to the likes of you and me. He's here to preach to the converted, mainly adolescents who his organisation started indoctrinating a few days after they were brought home from hospital. They are easy pickings.

If you hear anything it will be chanting. He won't put on a suit and tie and front up to Kerry O'Brien, let alone Andrew Denton. I'd be very surprised if he responds to your post or invites you up for a drink.

This not the type of bloke who'll roll up his sleeve, pull the cork out of the bottle and mix it with real intellectuals, test out his philosophy with the best from our philosophy departments.

Father Kelly called him an intellectual but like Pell, it's the memory work he did as a child that has got him where he is.

The most intellectual thing he'll have to do while he's here is eat a very large plateful of manure sandwiches while apologizing for the dreadful behaviour of his unchristian brothers and sisters. But he won't sack them, and it won't stop them suffering the children.

Foxy, never trust an intellectual who still believes everything in the Jewish Book of Fairy Tails, or a theologian who's still a Christian, or a man who wears a frock, or red shoes! What you're seeing is glitter, a side show, a legerdemain, not substance. While you're watching the velvet glove, watch out for the iron fist.

Foxy, you can bet that the infallible one will be as small minded as 'runner' who posted a response above. He's still waiting for Jesus to come back and believes that god hates the Beatles.

Foxy, you can bet he'll be as wooden as that cross that's been dragged around the country and you can bet that there won't be much, hope or charity spread around, except for the $163m in charity extended his way by a couple of Australian governments.

Go out to Rose Hill on Saturday. Bet on Moses coming fourth.
Posted by Frank_Blunt, Monday, 14 July 2008 5:03:41 PM
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Dear Frank,

I've got to admit, I think you're right.

I find it very disheartening.

I was raised as a Catholic.

I still find comfort sitting quietly in
church by myself. Lighting a candle, and saying
a prayer for deceased family members.

I still enjoy the ritual of the Mass.

But, I don't go every Sunday - because
most Sunday Sermons - don't speak to me any more.

That's why I am curious about the Pope, like a
lot of people, I'm searching for answers, although
as you said, deep down, I suspect - he won't provide
them.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 July 2008 6:28:32 PM
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WHO DO YOU THINK YOUR SILENCE IS SERVING
my brother?
there is one GOD
who gives ALL life our lives to live
HOW is the LIFE giver served by any DEATH?

war is murder
you serve life
or you are serving death!

satan has ruled this realm via the money changers
who changed real, money into paper
do you sell your soul for paper now?

gods messengers have given us free energy
WHY THE MONEY CHANGERS still charging us the world
destroying GODS creation to charge US the world to use it
AND are activlly suppressing it from ALL gods people?

who are you serving my brother ?
call kevin to account TODAY[now;in gods time]
doth our fathers representative serve GODS people into peace[or further ignorance?

try this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykGZ2tRY4kY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-ulOvJl46U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqBWk9YRu7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czZ9kn70Y7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu8LaVH-pn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6YYUOx6fBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxZR4C9gqOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgrDdJotz0A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU8PId_6xec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHh5AqQ4_xw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-Lnhs7caCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-O7WNvKSvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrMcBHGMZzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCjM-ZOqQF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTr3ZgKwsiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXv6sO52xFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAiTv0IpHWo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0FhADUZjx4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLev-ijMLME

as to how try this as to why they are being kept from our kids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21D3ATgMHuE
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=zp_XHfylwPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4RZqQujqDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YnnTzyidNI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGhPgEDcKXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v76amxA9x1cA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6uTy9Uq0K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSBxEZoNfQo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq_APNsERXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLqw59XfG04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRLR7-jdF3M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14yDP0GKrUA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQRIUVd6Aw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kp24ZeHtv4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_MHVw1Zz-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLzUNDaF00U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MQ88NEO7Q

well
we could nationalise 'big oil [and big pharma
to free up our childrens minds
[then join the suppressed research to gether [AND HEAL THE WORLD}

but we wont [cause we cant]
because we arnt allowed to see the big picture
[because of privatised proffit's]

we are spending billions subsidising these multinationals with our taxes [every week ]

billions spent pills and potions that dont cure us
clearly big BUISNESS lobby is paid to stay on top of this info
to ridicule it where they can
or suppress it where they cant

but for the alternative of [free] energy
that is based on science

that your regular scientists are forbidden to explore
that of which you speak is thus unspeakable
so

[why are they controlled and owned by the same cartel's"]

[and are making us sicker ,by treating the symptom
[BUT NEVER actually even allowed to cure THE DISEASE]
why
because they have an active lobby
EVIL/vile/veil D-evil have bought out govt
what say YOU
who are you ssSERVING
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 10:52:24 AM
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YOU father are being called to serve your fathers creation

know you not your fathers voice is all loving all grace?

Forgive those who served the beast
with media silence
who seek to suppress free speach
who have suppressed the very gifts god himself saw fit to reveal unto men [NOW]
the fathers gifts that will make this earth HEAVEN
yes father
you are called

you can see that evil is stilled RIGHT NOW
by revealing the truths posted above [and so much more]

seek you reward in gods good HEAVEN
or satans hell?

who you chose to serve father
who is your ongoing silence serving RIGHT NOW
[in gods own sacred LIVE time]

it is said by their deeds will we know them father
hear you yet that GOOD loving quite voice of conscience WITHIN?

or serve you that of the man kind,
that hurtfuill and harmfull to ouyr souls
tell the demons to be gone from our media
cast out the money changers greed
give gods plenty to GODS people
gods children
and who is NOT a child of god

hear you not gods good is upon us
as even now the spawn gather in the bohemia grove
call you now not for the people to wake up into peace
GODS PEACE
reveal the truth father
to whom much is given
so much was to be expected
seek you the gain of the flesh
or the glory of spirit

god has the timming
gods timming is now
consider god grace now

knows he LOVES YOU NOW
loves all of us NOW
where else can god be but in this ever PRESENT now
being gifted to US all!even right NOW!

i have said enough with words
you are called to act now
as i act now
as good of GOD acts NOW
TIMMING IS EVERYTHING
father
may gods good loving belessings and grace be upon you
NOW
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 11:07:22 AM
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Dear one under god,

I wish that you would have presented
your message in a somewhat different way.
It's really very off-putting.

It took me all of my self control to continue
reading it.

I find that this kind of ranting and raving
does not do much for your cause.

Few posters will have th patience to read it.

I know you meant well.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 15 July 2008 6:39:56 PM
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Well there you go Foxy.

Our discussion brought to a screaming halt by a theologian!

My suggestion, spend a couple of months writing down our own meaning and purpose statement and your own ten 'commandments' for successful living. The statement and the 'commandments' will probably be a lot different than those that Moses wrote down 3000 years ago.

Moses was the bloke who came down from the mountain holding the 6th commandment in one hand while he slaughtered 3000 of his parishioners with the other.
Posted by Frank_Blunt, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 10:17:13 AM
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Well said Frank.

I concur with what you wrote.

The redeeming quality of a secular state is that it is "Secular",

The damning quality of a State dominated by therocrats is exactly that particularly when the brand of therocracy may not be universally supported (but that is why Inquisitions were invented, to unify the freewill of men).
Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 11:06:15 AM
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Dear Frank,

I recently saw a billboard with a
t-shirt illustration on it - that I
think may amuse you.

It read ...

"Sins, why stop at seven?"
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 July 2008 6:17:41 PM
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