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Social Benefits Reprioritizing

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Dear StG
"finding solutions for those who are in need." This is an other story!

WE KEEP THE DOLE AS IS AND WE TRY TO FIND WAYS TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO DEPEND ON IT.
If you agree about it I am ready for some suggestions which could be helpful to minimize the problem.
Of cause it is impossible to zero the unemployment or to convince all people 100% to become employee, for various reasons.

REGARDS
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Thursday, 17 July 2008 6:24:08 PM
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I don't fully agree with ya Antonios, but, where would you makes cuts to helps the elderly?.
Posted by StG, Friday, 18 July 2008 8:49:50 AM
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Col and other ancient Greek (human hating) styled lesser gods.
So speaks the voices of selfish ignorance? Fear? Party political Dogma? How we all wish the world was as monochromic as you suggest. (Black or white)

Boot camp! Works for some with attitude problems and is dependant on the circumstances the participants find when they come back. I’ve helped run these camps and also involved with follow ups. As a solution it is over hyped.
As are options like “scared straight” and many more ideas of their ilk.

“Execute second time drug dealers?” You would have been a hit in the C18/19.

Facts. Deterrents don’t work they are like locks they keep honest people honest.
There are no such things as a magic bullet.

To err is human including in legal judgements. Remember Mrs Chamberlain? What do you do when you’ve publicly vilified and destroyed a person’s life in error? Some how “Oops… er… sorry” is inadequate as is”have pot of money”
Trust me this doesn’t help.
The courts, law enforcement and lotto freaks would love your Crystal ball(s)! The one that gives you 100% infallible insight.

Corby (skank?) You have inside info perhaps do tell. You can’t be basing it on appearances, the media sensationalizing and the kangaroo Courts of Indonesia surely?

Is she where she belongs (guilty)? I don’t know.

She doesn’t appear to be the sharpest knife in the block but she knew or should have known the risks … when you visit (ancient) Rome as a Christian you’d better know how lion whisper.When you travel you should be prepared to accept local laws if not …don’t go.

Is she being hardly treated or a public warning/deterrent? If she was it was a raging failure.

People are more than one facit of their lives. Sure some behaviour is unacceptable in our community what we need is a way to change that behaviour.

I suggest you read John Donne’s ‘for whom the bell tolls” each individual matters after all it could be YOU next
Posted by examinator, Friday, 18 July 2008 10:58:06 AM
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StG
"where would you makes cuts to helps the elderly?"

Ludwig gave to you,partly the answer.
"We’ve got massive wealth flowing into this country from coal, iron ore and a host of other primary produce. There should be well and truly enough money to take care of all our social security, basic services and quality of life issues"

Australia is a whole continent and very rich in minerals, etc. We do not have to cut from unemployment people to support elderly people.
We give to multinational companies plenty from our national wealth and we take from them very little.

I do not understand why taxpayers have to pay for private schools. Are they private business?
If yes why we have to pay them?
If you check where are going our taxes you will find from where to cut the money.
If you check who pays the taxes and compare their income with the income of multinational companies and big corporations you will find from where to take the money.
Of cause we must encourage unemployed people to go work, not simple for the money we pay to them,( as we pay some others much more for no reason ) BUT FOR THEIR OWN BENEFITS! Because if they work they will fill and be much better. Working, with better income, they could improve their conditions, they could be happier.
I WANT PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE IN NEED, THE PEOPLE WITH BAD EXPERIENCES TO HAVE THE CHANCE, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME HAPPY, TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL.

The question is WHY PEOPLE DO NOT GO WORK? WHAT WAS THEIR EXPERIENCES FROM THE WORK OR THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND THEY PREFER THE BAD CONDITIONS THAN TO GO WORK?
Bulling? humiliation? discrimination? rejection? isolation? drugs? family history? What? Why?

There are one million reasons for the people to avoid the work.
ONLY IF WE SEARCH, STUDY AND CLASSIFY OUR UNEMPLOYMENT PEOPLE, ONLY THEN WE CAN USE THE RIGHT WAY FOR EACH CATEGORY AND SUB-CATEGORY OF THEM, ONLY THEN WE CAN EXPECT GOOD RESULTS.

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid
Posted by ASymeonakis, Friday, 18 July 2008 8:29:50 PM
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Examinator “Facts. Deterrents don’t work they are like locks they keep honest people honest.
There are no such things as a magic bullet.”

And

“I suggest you read John Donne’s ‘for whom the bell tolls” each individual matters after all it could be YOU next”

I suggest you read ‘A Clockwork Orange’ – Anthony Burgess

It answered any doubt I had about how far a community should go in " what we need is a way to change that behaviour.”

Behaviour is simply a consequence of the real problem, ‘attitude’

“How we all wish the world was as monochromic as you suggest. (Black or white)”

It is black or white.

However, the line which divides those two states is not straight but full of curls, swirls and loops, so finely contoured that it produces the muddy grey which is what most folk, lacking analytical rigor, content themselves with.

“People are more than one facit of their lives.”

Of course and Maslow goes some way to explaining it.

Beyond that, 90% of the influences in our lives are invisible to others and exist only in the organ between our ears.

But ultimately we are all put here with the opportunity to choose to be black or to be white.

And Corby decided to follow the path of her ‘black’ father

ASymeonakis “ONLY IF WE SEARCH, STUDY AND CLASSIFY OUR UNEMPLOYMENT PEOPLE, ONLY THEN WE CAN USE THE RIGHT WAY FOR EACH CATEGORY AND SUB-CATEGORY OF THEM, ONLY THEN WE CAN EXPECT GOOD RESULTS.”

Several million variables and only one law / set of rules to deal with them. No wonder government stuffs it up, because the variability of individuals can never be addressed by a system designed to deliver “equality”.

That is a good reason to keep government small and away from the important stuff which affects peoples lives.
Posted by Col Rouge, Saturday, 19 July 2008 12:32:27 PM
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