One of the tenets of Evolution is the survival of the species. Thus, homosexuality (including lesbianism) within a species would in the long run threaten the survival of the species. It is therefore a learnt behaviour and an aberration like murder and rape.

The Dawkinites, jihadists and those against anti-social behaviour should come together and see what must be done to minimise such a behaviour. Osama bin Ladin and Richard Dawkins have more in common than many may think.

On the contrary, Philip Tang...

>>Osama bin Ladin and Richard Dawkins have more in common than many may think<<

From my understanding of OBL's militant Islamism, and Islam's attitude towards homosexuality, he has far more in common with the Christian Evangelists than a humanitarian atheist.

And Boaz, this is positively weird:

>>'defiled' with women. aah..back to 'interpetation' :) and context. It is hardly reasonable to consider that legitimate and normal involvement in marraige would be considered 'defiling'<<

But... but... it was not I who described it so, Boaz, but your Bible - the New Testament, to boot.

So if you don't want to take this verse as written, how would you "interpret" it?

Usung the mores and values of those times? Using a modern slant, to bring it into the twentyfirst century?

Exactly what would you like us to think the Bible is telling us here?

And this is a classic - it puts all your waffling into perspective

>>In your case here, you are attacking me for defending the freedom to express our faith. Thats intolerance.<<

Boaz, attacking other people is not "expressing your faith".

Especially a faith that prides itself on kindness, charity, doing unto thy neighbour and turning the other cheek.

You are still fighting the Crusades my friend. That much is obvious. And the rationale you employ, ultimately requiring the extermination of another faith, is identical.

Philip,

Over-breeding also threatens a species, when/where there are scarce resources. Read Malthus. Over-population is one of the greatest challenges homo sapiens faced last century and will face this century.

O.

Who is this wacky BOAZ character?

"This whole thread is about INtolerance where people are being taken to court.. to star chamber/show trial/closed doors/Kangaroo courts for expressing views.. and you speak of intolerance here?"

Condemned by his own words: it's about INtolerance, yet he describes the democratic court process as "star chamber/show trial/closed doors/Kangaroo courts".

He throws wild accusations at the Canadian Tribunal: "...people are being Jailed Fined harrased by so called 'Human Rights' groups which are discriminatory and selective and hostile." But in the case he draws to our attention, no one was jailed or harassed. One man was fined for breaking the law. He was heard, defended his position and after due process was found to be in obvious breach of the law.

Mr Tolerance himself, aka BOAZ, claims that he doesn't "find it a problem to have compassion for a person claiming to be a homosexual." Note the snide and gratutious "claiming to be".

Yes, BOAZ's compassion is "limited to their 'state' (of believing they are homosexual) not to their political activities of seeking to educate children as to the normality of behavior..."

Note the snide innuendo: homosexuality is synonymous with getting at young children. Christians would never do a thing like that would they?

And the man in BOAZ's case was up front before the case was heard: “I’m ok with whatever the outcome is. I’m just going to trust God. I’ve been through a lot in my life…I’m just going to trust Him. He may have me speaking just before the panel and judges and it may touch someone’s heart and minister to them. I’m just going to go in humble, and leave the outcome to God.”

So God if decided the outcome, and the accused put his trust in God, what's all the fuss about Mr BOAZ?

Hi Spikey - I see you're pretty new to OLO. Welcome.

Meet our Boazy. I think your assessment of him is remarkably astute. However, as others have pointed out, responding to his hateful and loopy rants only encourages him - mind you, it can be amusing at times :)

Pericles....

"defiled" themselves with women. Given that there is a highly unlikely possibility that 144,000 people have never either procreated or married, -the word 'defiled' would be more likely to mean 'in an immoral manner'.

And this of course leads into the whole area of 'immediate context' and broader. If we use Mark 1:1 as an example. You could read it, and then ask, in the absense of ALL other knowledge about Jesus, "what do I know about him?".

The answer of course is.. 'very little'. You would know that there is a thing called a "Gospel" about him....and that (if you accept the verse footnoted) he was 'The Son of God'.. if you don't accept that, he is just a "man called Christ". However, if you read the first 8 chapters of Marks gospel, you would be in no doubt about the meaning of 'Christ'as used in chapter 1 verse 1.

SPIKEY.. welcome :) yes indeed.

Actually I have to thank you for illustrating exactly the kind of intolerance that this thread is addressing. You just "don't see it".

To you, its "democratic process in action" and now you see why I call 'Human Rights commissions" STAR CHAMBERS.. they are NOT democratically elected NOR are they fair minded. They are political appointments and the government of the day uses them to further their social agenda.

The people appointed to such bodies is probably the LAST thing hip pocket voters are thinking about in the midst of all the hype at election time.

"Freedom of expression but no offensive talk"(Bronwyn)

I am offended every time Rodney Croome speak about Gay Rights.. is it my right to silence him?

I am offended every time someone calls 'Christians fruitloops (CJ) and armchair nazi's (Irfan) .. should I whine and whinge about it?

No..I fight back!

My number 1 target is "(in)Human (selective)Rights Commissions(Star Chambers)"

When "motive is not relevant" (RRT2001 SECTION 9) and "truth is not a defense" (Lawyers persecuting Christian pastors) we have a BIG and I mean BIGGGGG problem in this democracy.