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International Fuel Protests

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Belly
"Will it take more than push bikes and green power to avoid this problem?"
I would suggest that it takes common thinking.
Oil tankers which roll of an assembly line (as per documentary two years ago)with US names on it.(what..one every three days or is it weeks?)
Would there be a peak oil? I don't think so.
Oil happens to be renewable according to geo-scientists.
The Conspiracy theory is proven to be a factual occurrence.Why would the Bilderbergers have meetings behind close doors? To decide over us worldwide!
All those messages about overpopulation,peak oil,climate change,earth warming-up panic calls,aids epidemic,dollar devaluation,oil prices going thru the roof,worldwide GM push,The Pill,baby vaccinations with mercury what's next? Get the picture?
A lot of bulls..t you might ask? It is beyond conspiring...it is happening! Thanks to our PC's with lots of leaking info.Some of it bad but lots of it great knowledge.
FEAR is what needs to be created amongst us human beings, how else can we be controlled! Don't be had!Open your eyes and see what's out there! It's better to know for your own protection!
Posted by eftfnc, Monday, 16 June 2008 2:36:23 PM
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No chance for new fuels in time Belly.

Forget Kevin Rudd, he hasn't a clue about what to do.
He was aked on 7-30 report tonight a direct question about it being time
to level with the public that this is a permanent problem with price of oil going ever higher.

He squibbed it. He waffled around it.

There is no government solution, not even rationing.
It will be devil take the hindmost.
The politicians are not prepared to face up to the problem, it will be
up to us as individuals to find our own dolutions.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 16 June 2008 9:30:07 PM
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1. The Fisher-Tropsch process kept Germany going during WW2 and now keeps S. Africa in fuel. In Australia we have coal to 'burn' and produce our own oil and fuel.

Bio-fuels have hardly been exploited at all.

Plus we are swimming in Natural Gas. (or at least Exxon Mobil is)

2. The 38c a litre excise is a WRONG tax, especially in a country as vast as Australia. It increases the price of everything, food, farmer's costs. exports, anything that needs to be moved etc etc.
With the added 10% GST it has a multiplier effect on the cost of fuel.

Abolishing the Fuel Excise would result in no net loss to total government('s) Tax revenues and would drop the GST and therefore interest rates. All good news for the economy.

Keeping the Fuel Excise Tax is a crazy economic philosophy.
Posted by michael2, Monday, 16 June 2008 11:32:12 PM
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Most of us have looked at the conspiracy theory's, just maybe some of it is true, but the problem is here and now and getting worse.
This world never was based on human needs and wellbeing just greed and a mantra often quoted of creating wealth.
Just why I will never understand.
I reject as uninformed the idea Rudd can do much about international fuel prices.
And I reject totally the idea we should blow our budget by reducing tax on fuel.
But I hold Kevin and his government accountable for not doing more to use LPG.
I see no true urgent action to replace oil as our power source from any western government.
Consider however if Rudd mandated by law every future motor used in Australia had to run on new fuel or LPG by 2012 we would have zero effect on world oil prices our use is small in the big picture.
We however are getting near the prices that will drive us to act and future generations will have new fuels.
Just maybe Rudd will understand it takes more than idiotic fuel watch to save us.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 5:55:47 AM
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Michael2,
There is an alternative way to look at the fuel tax.
To make petrol cheaper will not make people reduce their use of petrol.
It has the wrong effect and just puts off the price rise for a short
period.

To increase the tax will be an incentive to reduce consumption and would
be accepted by the public. However it would be accepted only on condition
that the politicians tell the public that this is a permanent problem
and guarantee that the tax will be devoted to public transport and
related infrastructure. Political courage to face up to the problem
is in short supply, but this is going to be a test of leadership.

Only last night on the 7-30 report Kevin Rudd did his best to avoid
admitting that there is no solution and that we will need to make
major structural change.

Without national leadership telling it as it is and being honest with
the public there is little hope to avoid great difficulties.

Time is short and natural gas should be reserved for our own use during
our period of adapting to a new energy regime whatever that may be.

The coal to liquid process known as Fisher-Topsch can also take a
major part in letting us down gently.
Frankly I think it will be all hands to the pumps to keep us afloat.
However the ship will gradually get lower in the water and we will
have to abandon it for a new arrangement for living.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 8:53:05 AM
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PaulL
As Maxwell Smart would say: 'missed by that "............" much'.

My intent was not to downplay the importance of fossil fuel to our
economy/society.But rather to highlight the opportunism & shallowness of the Rudd govt - & the climate-change-bandwagon in general.
Posted by Horus, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 8:31:33 PM
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