Belly,
I don't believe for one minute that those with foresight actually want to "kill people off" as you imply. It obviously hasn't been brought to your attention that population control has absolutely nothing to do with taking lives. What mankind needs to learn again is to live according to it's own ability. What I imply by that is for those who can't afford to keep large families must do everything they can to not have large families. Only buy what they can afford, don't expect others to support them when they live beyond their means & the list goes on. Those who need assistance due to no fault of their own should be supported by the rest of us. Over the past 50 or so years many who could support themselves but because of their lack of will (not lack of ability or opportunity) & initiative have been able to exploit & just about ruin a system that was introduced to assist the needy.
Social security is for the needy not for the idle. Unfortunately, the many irresponsible left-wing expert advisors have wasted valuable resources & created three generations of people who are capable to fend for themselves but have instead developed a "everybody-else-owes-me-a-living" culture & "if we choose to have many children the social security system can pay for them"

It may not be nature that reduces world population but war.
My intention in starting the thread was to talk about this problem not introduce the idea that it is the end.
Right now in NSW Australia this week in fact road transport company's that have existed in some cases for 45 years closed the doors fuel prices did that.
people on low incomes are in fuel induced pain.
Coastal tourism is suffering.
Christmas bookings are lower than ten years ago.
We know, we have been warned , fuel will be nearer $2 by Christmas.
Some good intentioned people think the answer is push bikes, not for a second considering so many who must travel 100klm journeys just to buy food.
I except we will find new fuels and new cars new power and cleaner power the doom and gloom is worthy but after the pain comes the gain.
The answer to world population will not come because of oil prices.
And in a world that can not agree to stop killing one another or fix problems like Burma and Zimbabwe in the miss named United Nations we will never agree to do what China has limit population.

Belly,

I think your posts would be much more effective if you used punctuation a little more. Specifically commas and full stops.

Just a friendly suggestion.

The truck drivers in Europe protesting about prices are doing no more
than the politicians, denying the inevitable.

They are totally wasting their time.

Belly, the worlds population after the last war was higher than it was
before, so war will not solve the population problem.
Population will only be reduced by lower fertility brought on by
malnutrition and disease. Like peak oil it will happen but mercifully
it might be gradual as oil supplies decrease gradually.

However the poorest countries will have their populations reduced in a
steeper curve than the richest countries.
Will the worlds population follow the Hubbard curve.
Now someone could do a thesis on that.

PaulL so do I!
Can you show me a system that will do it for me?
Like it or not I left school before age 13, I passed only in returning milk bottles and burning the rubbish in the incinerator.
Most of my school time was spent swinging on a cross cut saw, earning the money to feed my siblings with dad, 15 more of them.

That was the fate of the eldest child in big family's.
Some 3 years after in a roadside construction camp it became clear I could finally read any word in front of me.
Does it matter that much?
Now still learning something each day, I live I am rather proud of getting lessons in place to teach the huge number who can not, to read.
What impact will my poor education have on world fuel prices?
Is education a measure of IQ?
Read my first posts here and understand even my spell check had a break down trying to understand me.
The university of life has entrenched in me the view some of our best educated people have little common understanding.
By Christmas the contents of this thread will matter far more than my composition.
Read any good books of late? my education came from a never ending hunger to read and learn thanks for your lesson.
I however think we need to know people from all backgrounds post here all standards of education and all faiths.
Those of us who place too much value on their own thoughts and too little on others are self defeating.

Aime made some cogent points.

But, how will Aime protect her chooks and vegies from the opportunists? Those pitiful unfortunates who, due to their underpriveledge have not been able to acquire the means to supplement the supermarket. Perhaps she could put a sign out the front -- Free veg and chook. After all, Aime does not have the human right to protect her chooks from human predation. Maybe Kev07 will implement a veggie bonus for increased veggie production.

I like the idea of community markets better.

I have been eyeing off my backyard wondering what the price of green beans will need to be for me to have a serious garden, instead of the microscopic ones I have had in the past.

Good on ya Belly. Great response. The stereotype of a tolerant secular progressive is grossly exaggerated.